UPDATE: Having seen the new trailer, this looks like being legit.
Have been sent this by Nate, one on my reliable sources, however this seems so out there I just had to post in Rumours.
Ethan implanted a control device in Claire when she was his captive. The others can trigger her to be sick. Juliet travels to the Losties camp to cure Claire.
Paulo & Nikki start searching for diamonds on the island and encounter spiders that paralyze you when they bite you - as in Voodoo Zombie "He is clinically dead let's bury him" type of paralyzation. Nikki learned about this from her teacher - who was the same guy blown up by the dynamite. They end up finding diamonds and Nikki somehow arranges one of the spiders to bite paulo. After Paulo gets bit she accidentally gets bit as well. When they are found they are presumed dead and are buried alive. This is in the final cut. It is possible that Paulo getting shot was another take meant to throw off rumors? Maybe. But this is now 100% certain - The 2 new losties get killed because they are presumed dead and buried alive.
Locke find the submarine that Juliet was brought to the island on and blows it up (old news by now). Juliet's cancer ridden sister was supposedly cured by Henry Gale.
For now, it seems like Jack is becoming one of the others.
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I told you that the insects were important! But I don't see how this is a game changer....
do we know if this is true or not?
Seems like it's true!
The submarine thing was shown on today's episode.
The spider thing was SHOWN on today's episode's preview!
There's also a preview that shows Nikki with pale, dead-like face.
That would be pretty sad though, to have 2 new characters showing up with so much hype, only to be on screen for a couple of minutes total, and be dead.
So the teacher is Artz?
I beliv how nate wrote this spoiler/rumor sounds too none credible. and like you wrote "jump the sharkish". but other then the Ethan implanting something to make claire sick part, Nikki trying to kill Paolo sounds fun, and Jack beginning to become an other seem very plausible to.
I know their has to be much more o it then Ethan just planting something on Claire, their has to be a purpose to want to make her sick. I think, after Claire was meant to give birth, she had to take care of Aaron for a while, breastfeed and etc.
All this, if this rumor is true, it certainly seems very plausible.
Yea thinking about it more this all sounds cool but is it really jump the sharkish? I think Desmond going back in time or tonight's episodes ending was more game changing than this.
What about this spoiler exactly changes the game? Am I missing something?
Uhhh, that doesn't really make them "iconic" characters like the producers promised. In fact, I don't see how this has anything to do with anything as far as being a big jump the shark moment.
the only big jump teh shark moment on the entire rumor is, Claire having something implanted in her by Ethan that makes her sick.
How laughable. I hope this isn't true.
I think the game changer, will have to do with Sun and Sawyer. In the previews Sun hit's Sawyer, and threaten to kill him, if he tells Jin. We know that Sawyer and Charlie tried to make it look like Sun was attack by the others, in order for Sawyer to get the guns away from Jack. Everyone will find that out, but it seem like Sawyer knows a secret about Sun, that she do not want anyone to know. Hmm? what do you suppose that secret is?
Probably:
Sawyer or Charlie explains to Sun her kidnapping last season and Sawyer suggests she tell Jin that Charlie did it. Sun points out that if Sawyer told Jin, Jin would kill Charlie. Dunno why she hits him.
The writers said that P/N were iconic figures on the island. Being buried alive doesn't really mesh with that.
They could be ADAM and EVE!
Well in another post i was a little on to the fact the spider had something in its venom but i thought it would be to revive her. this sounds plausible but it's still askew with introducing new characters to just "seemingly" kill them.
sounds like only one person dies not 2
both these rumors cant be true, the one below.... they contridct eachohter.
It sounds like freaking Romeo & Juliet.
Could there be a possible connection between spiders that make you appear dead and some people's speculation that Christian Shepard may have faked his death?
if they both die next week does that mean there isn't another episode later featuring nikki (the rumour being that episode 20 was strictly nikki)
This does not make them iconic.. there must be something missing!
sun's secret= being pregnant with that other guy's (her english teacher) baby instead of jin's?
considering that locke blew up the sub in the last episode im thinking this is fake. id be disappointed if BOTH nikki and paulo died at this point (just get rid of paulo)- it would defeat the purpose of introducing them.
I don't buy it. If this is true, then this sounds like the worst Lost episode ever. Plus there are supposed to be two Nikki/Paulo episodes. i suposse there still could be if they die, but it seems like sloppy writing.
I can understand killing one but BOTH?
Thats just sloppy. I mean maybe thats why we will like them because they are dead but thats just silly. I want areason to like them.
I just watched the promo for Expose & I think Nate's right. Is that why Arzt is looking at bugs?
Matt
Thats just sloppy. I mean maybe thats why we will like them because they are dead but thats just silly. I want areason to like them.
well there a reason for nikki shes HoTTTTTT!!!!!
I find it amazingly convienent that two people get bitten by a spider on teh same day. A spider noone has died from in 70 days on the island.
2 anons up
Nikki is "dead" hot. Geddit!!
Sawyer asks Sun if she is going to tell Jin, she says no, because we would have to dig another grave, probably because Jin would probably want to kill Sawyer.
Also who is Sawyer on about: "they were working with the others" Paolo & Nikki??
"Also who is Sawyer on about: "they were working with the others" Paolo & Nikki??"
He tell him that because he knows that if he tell the truth, jin will kill him.
Remember "the sickness" ? perhaps this is it!
Also, what about the Good American Morning Clip where Nikki was shown to be a stripper? This episode will not have off island flashbacks so when the hell does that scene take place?
Judging how out of 32 comments, NO ONE likes this rumor, I sincerely hope it's not true or Lost may lost a substantial amount of viewers....
Not as crazy as one might think its NWO trying to subliminally get us ready for an RFID implant which are already to be rolled out but not reported in mainstream news.
Do you thing there's a possibility that mikhail's death could be temporary? I know the two are completely different deaths but i just thought they could be connected?
'The Sickness' - I totally forgot about that. It would be a great story plot. I can see Danielle's crew getting the sickness. Their flashback will be very scary.
Matt
What do u mean do u think there's a possibility that Mikhail's death could be temporary? He's dead... or is he? lol
for "game-changing", this rumour is bizarre - it makes no sense
i hope they are not saying that visions on the island are only caused because they have been bitten by some spiders! :(
this is definatley wrong, right to keep it in the rumours section. the official podcast said that an answer to a mythological question will be answered and paulo and nikki will become iconic, this isn't true i have much more faith in the producers than to give us an episode filled with this crap - spiders and diamonds. ''paulo and nikki start searching for diamonds on the island.'' ohhh yeah, first thing you'd think of doing! this isn't true.
anon above did you not see the promo for next week. you see paulo diving for diamonds and a spider going up someones leg.
After calming down and reflecting on all of this while Dark reminds me of Boone, Shannon, Arzt, Ethan, and the crash, I feel that this episode will still be good.
Therefore, I think that the rumor isn't the game changer, but whatever happens with Mr. Lashade or the answer to the big mythological question will be the game changer in this episode....this rumor is just a side thing that will happen.
After calming down and reflecting on all of this while Dark reminds me of Boone, Shannon, Arzt, Ethan, and the crash, I feel that this episode will still be good.
Therefore, I think that the rumor isn't the game changer, but whatever happens with Mr. Lashade or the answer to the big mythological question will be the game changer in this episode....this rumor is just a side thing that will happen.
This episode sounds great. Good Riddons Nikita and Pablo! Man, they sure were obnoxious. I for one, won't be missing them.
I'm going to get them a nice fruit basket! :P
Bob, I too am excited about seeing Boone, Shannon, Ethan and Arzt again. It even sounds like a cool story, albeit in a farfetched "Tales from the Crypt" kinda way. BUT, Damon Lindelof promised us these characters would be "iconic" and we would see the importance of them being on the island, and this comes nowhere close to that. So, I'm hoping that this rumor is at least incomplete, because this doesn't really payoff in the big way that was promised. I still have faith the episode will be good.
Voodoo Zombie Spiders?!?!?
I don't beleive it, even if it is all ture next week, I still won't beleive it.
A magic box that can pull out anything you wish for, and a button that stops the end of the world is one thing..... But voodoo zombie spiders....naaaaaaah
Sadly, this leads to the "Game Changer" being the two of them being "buried alive," holding that thing that Jack found them clutching back in season one in the caves - BECAUSE THEY ARE THE SKELETONS THEY FOUND IN THE CAVES IN SEASON ONE.
Argh.
David,
If sawyer buries them with the other losties which is what it looks like then how did the bodies get to the caves??
More voodoo?
If filmed well, seeing people buried alive could be really awful uncomfortable viewing - really emotional. Problem is does anyone really care that much about Nikki and Paulo in the first place so thaqts the empotion gone!!
so what if paulo and nikki find the 2 black/white stones and take them from where jack had them and at the end of the episode they are buried alived? or when they are getting buried one of the castaways puts the stones in nicki/paulos pocket then what? THAT WOULD BE CRAZY!
--Sandman--
No because how did they get to the caves then....how does that even set up a time anomoly? Sounds more like a comparison.
The "Rumours from last week about the Locke episode were ALL wrong. They said he would drive off a cliff, while Patchy watched.
The previews showed the explosion with Locke in front, that blew up the Sub..no big deal!
Everyone knows that Nookie and Paulo are 'red shirts'..there to just so they can be killed on the show.
We do not know that they are "Adam and Eve"...that's just a rumour floating around.
The only 'game changer' right now would be to reveal the "magic box", or that the orginal Others are totally different...like not humans.
Nikki and paulo may have stolen the diamonds before the crash (maybe from Lando?).
So they start looking for said diamonds on the island and find spiders.
Get bitten by said spiders, then end up in this near death state and thus buried alive.
LOST
Iconic, maybe.
Gamechanger, No IMO
I'm sure Paulo and Nikki's death is only a temporary thing if they are to become "iconic" I'm sure there will be a resurrection of sorts. I think this could be the pretense to explaining the healing properties of the island.
Well we know there will be a character bomb and a game change..
I think the character bomb will be that jack decides to stay with others.
The game changer is what we saw last night.
Or the character bomb is locke.
The character bomb was Desmond's episode.
I really hope this isn't true. If it is, that is the biggest wste of time ever. Hyping up these two new characters so much? Damon and Carlton telling us we will feel differently about them...only for them to die as soon as our opinions have changed? To die on their FIRST flashback episode? This is ridiculous if it is true. And I really hope it isn't.
i bet Nicki gives Sawyer a lapdance in the episode when she is a stripper.
When the post says artz was their teacher... on the island or off? On would make artz a much cooler character and possibly make him an other.
Ross9782
So Ben cures Juliet's sister, or does the real Henry Gale??? That would be awesome if it was the real Henry Gale who died from the balloon.
I like the ressurection idea from above. But Nikki not Paulo!
How is them getting buried alive the "game changer"????
If true, I hope the episode is also part musical.
Maybe Charlie's acoustic magically transforms into an electric guitar just as the Ghost of Jimi Hendrix arrives on the island in a rowboat captained by Ted McGinley; and then everyone sings a rendition of "Voodoo Child" while Nikki and Paulo are endlessly bitten by spiders.
As a subplot to this "very special episode," Locke will tell his life story to the abducted kids, highlighting the morality of lying and the horrible consequences of being dishonest. He will then hop on a jet ski, head over to the beachside jamboree, and slap the remaining C4 on Ted McGinley and rowboat.
But don't worry - with death comes life as Sun bypasses typical pregnancy patterns and reaches her third trimester within a 30-100 day period (dependent on who the real father is). Oddly enough, upon delivery, the baby has a striking resemblance to... no, not Christian Shepherd, but rather, Mikhail, equipped with prenatal eye-patch and Russian accent.
Also, a character will "come out" of the closet; lovebirds will get hitched; and Walt, off-island, will graduate med school at age 10, matching Doogie Howser as the fictional world's youngest M.D.
LOST
With a Special Guest Appearance by Billy Dee Williams as Lando Calrissian under the alias Mr. LaShade.
If only 3 of these things occur, I will be wholly satisfied.
It's not that hard to look at promo pictures and make up a plausible/fake episode synopsis..
anyone could do it.
I doubt they would kill both of them off.
that's why I voted it to be a fake.
Someone told me Paulo does get bitten by a spider and he will be burried "alive", and unfortunately that will be the end of if for Rodrigo Santoro on Lost. Too bad!
Before I heard any of this or saw screenshots, I was ready to throw down my cards and go all in with my guess for the game changer:
Paulo and Nikki were involved in crashing the plane on Lost island. Something about diamonds, the root of all evil is greed, etc., and then they detonated something or somehow got the plane to crash.
Of course, now I completely take it back, as aparently TPTB have seen Clive Barker's "The Serpent and the Rainbow," and are now going to copy the buried alive sequence, with hopefully similarly cool results.
Also, is there a place among the Others for the guy who played Cigarette Smoking Man on the X-Files? He'd be a hell of a Jacob.
Why do people leave comments like "this is so stupid, Lost is jumping the shark." or "This stinks, Lost is totally lost." No one even knows if these are in fact 100% accurate. Why didn't the person who posted the spoiler mention Shannon and Boone? They are supposed to be significant to the flashback along with Arnzt. So the only ones stupid are the ones who believe this is all totally true. Wait until the episode airs before you judge the show at least that way you won't watch the episode already hating it.
The writer of these rumours is trying to defend himself ... as in explaining why Paulo wasnt shot. Psychologically, he is being weak. That is why he is lying.
jamie, i'm not questioning the part that diamonds play in the upcoming episode i'm just saying that paulo and nikki won't go searching for them, but rather chance upon them.
The promo shows Nikki in peril more then it does Paulo. In fact we see Nikki on the floor with Sun checking for a pulse. Either she only dies OR they are playing with us and not showing us Paulo's death.
Both would be bad plotting.
Also, Boone and Shannon actors would not want to come back and do nothing - they have to have some involvement in the plot and teh spiders (with Artz).
Who is Lando?? - hes not even mentioned in this rumour.
I think elements are correct (spiders, diamonds) but some of the facts are wrong.
Alos, Was Hurley reading Artz'z notes maybe??? I know he said this would make a good hour of Tele but maybe he meant that spiders can paralyse people.
He then realises Nikki is NOT dead and they revive her. Paulo is upset about Nikki abd shoots himself in the head.
Love the fact there are so many possibilities!!
So the spider thing looks pretty interesting but how about the fact that sawyer says "they were working with the others" in the promo - could this possibly mean that Nikki and Paulo are working with the others - just a possibility.
No, i think he was referring to Charlie working with the others in Sun's kidnapping attempt!
i dont doubt the implant cause in the first lost game (beta lost experience) after season one they put an implant in Dr. Marvin Candle which was a micro chip just under his skin. heres the link for those who didnt get to play.
http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12138
What If sawyer tells jin that Paulo and Nikki worked with the others and that Paulo kidnapped Sun... Jin shoots Paulo... Sun finds out it was actually Sawyer's idea... and bitch slaps him in the face...
Keep Nikki alive! we need another hot babe on the island :P I cant wait for this episode... I would be very dissapointed if they noth die... but if they are buried alive... maybe one of them will come back :)
i dont think niki is gonna die .nope. and well yes she is hot
The promo does seem to back this up and what Rodrigo Santoro and the creators have said is supported by this.
One thing just springs to mind...in an interview Rodrigo said that Paulo "will probably die" by the end of the season. If he is buried alive he might die, he might not. And I heard that the creators once said that he will leave but not die...
This makes a lot more sense than the shot in the head idea. And I am really sick of people getting shot on Lost.
Anonymous said...
I really hope this isn't true. If it is, that is the biggest wste of time ever. Hyping up these two new characters so much?
Hype? What hype? So far we've seen them briefly in the Eko episode and at the butt end of a funny Sawyer joke. How is that hype?
The writers themselves TOLD us... numerous times... that both of them would be gone by the end of the season but that their island flashbacks would reveal a lot.
Though, since all of you seem to agree that it seems likely only one of them dies (I didn't read the details, just the comments)... it would confirm the other rumour about only Paulo dying in this episode.
Jake -
If one dies its still not clear
The rumours suggest Paulo
The promo suggest Nikki
I think it could be either of them TBH or both
YAY, finally Nikki & Paulo go bye bye...can't wait
Since it says that Nikki is bitten second maybe she is away from Paulo when she gets bit and they only find her body? Hence the female being buried, the Losties surrounding a feminine-looking body and the female scream (though I think that was Sun from the flashback). Also, look at Sun's face. They are onviously next to a body, the skin is too pale to be Paulo's (not deathly pale, just pale) and the body looks like it has breasts...and is wearing denim shorts.
And remember that rumour that was confirmed to be true about Juliette givig some of the Losties medicine? Maybe they realised that N/P weren't dead (or just N) and she gave them something that neutralised the spider's venom and brought them out of the paralysis... So they may not be gone forever.
"if BOTH nikki and paulo died at this point (just get rid of paulo)- it would defeat the purpose of introducing them."
Not necessarily, you need a few disposable characters for cannon fodder. Arzt for instance...
Well once we realize that N&P are actually part of a bigger mystery and they leave us hanging we will all be begging for them to return to their story.
Personally I barely even notice them and if they can help explain something on the island then I say it is good.
I call shenanigans. That said, zombies would be a game changer...
There was alot of hype from d&c they kept saying they are important, don't hate them yet, give us some time you'll see how pivotal they'll be. So yes there was a lot of hype. How important they'll be we'll have to see. But what the producers think is genius a lot think it's a watse of time and or stupid.
I agree with previous posts that introducing new characters, and then killing them off after ten seconds of screen time is sloppy writing. That said, it's actually a pretty cool death scene (if it's true).
Can someone help me out here... but what happened to Bernard and Rose....I assume they are alive and well on the island but have not heard nor seen hide nor hair of them for quite some time. They don't even appear in any of the publicity shots with the rest since at least last year sometime.
They are busy doing other things. It sucks because that' why the story line with walt and michael is gonna be tricky. As actors they can't wait around til it's their turn because if they aren't in an episode they don't get paid. So they have to find other work and sometimes that clashes with the scropt so the writers have to work there way around it. I think they said we might see them before the end of the season but that doesn't mean the will have anything important. Probably a cameo so some can stop question why they arent there.
totally fake
along came a spider... why would Nikki want to make it 'appear' that Paolo is dead? What is the scam in that? If she wanted him dead wouldnt she just do it?
Dave, I have been saying that CSM would be a great Him, but in S1 I was thinking him was Alvar, after the TLE, we know that is not happening. Stephen King in the grand finale would be great, walking out from behind a curtain with that wierd look he has when he grins.
I keep reading the Nikki and Paolo are Adam and Eve, that would really blow.
When it says that "Juliet's cancer ridden sister was supposedly cured by Henry Gale" is the author referring Ben or the real Henry Gale from the balloon? If he just meant Ben, then whatever. But if he meant the guy from the balloon, that would be semi-interesting, not game-changing, but kind of interesting especially since the Others aren't really big on killing other people and the real Henry Gale was murdered. Just a thought....
This seems very rediculous, and I hope it's fake.
Since they find the diamonds in the water and not on the island...it's fake.
okay, i must address something on this game changer theory. (what i like to think is that during season one, a lot of people thought the island or the survival of the losties was refered to as the game, so a game changer would mean a difference to the castaway's lives.) well, p+n being buried alive (which i think is nonsense because as i hear over and over again that he is shot in the head) is quite emotional, but it wouldn't change much. i believe the game changer would be the lostie's discovery of the box, and something else coming out of it/someone else who can bring something out of it like locke.
just my thoughts...
Possibly true... lookat latest spoiler
Also, Boone and Shannon actors would not want to come back and do nothing - they have to have some involvement in the plot and teh spiders (with Artz).
I remember reading someone's theory on some blog somewhere, related to Boone and Shannon/Nikki and Paolo. It suggested that maybe Desmond's messing around in time, or something else similar, somehow caused Boone and Shannon to get on a different part of the plane (weren't they shown in a flashback, being downgraded to coach or something?) and that Paolo and Nikki filled the seats they were originally in. So at the start of the series, Paolo and Nikki were in the part of the plane where everyone died, but now they're alive and Boone and Shannon took their place as corpses.
That could be why Sawyer didn't recognize Nikki -- having been away from the hatch at the time of the explosion maybe kept him outside the temporal loop, or something, and he still remembers the original reality. (Did Kate ever acknowledge the existence of Nikki and Paolo since coming back from being held prisoner -- I don't remember.)
Anyway, I'm not vouching for the veracity of that theory, but it would be interesting to see if that is the part that Boone and Shannon played in this episode. Maybe we get a "Boone who?!" from a Lostie, or something, showing that they aren't remembered.
what if.... N&P will be buried 'alive'... and the last lost episode ever, OUR losties will be rescued and no one is on the island anymore... then suddenly Nikki wakes up from her grave... and finds herself alone on the island... well THAT would be iconic LOL
not gonna happen I know... :)
i second the last poster. if n&p are buried alive, they could end up anywhere on the island, no matter where they are initially buried. also sounds like a pretty good spot to wait out an impending catastrophe.
Can someone help me out here... but what happened to Bernard and Rose....I assume they are alive and well on the island but have not heard nor seen hide nor hair of them for quite some time. They don't even appear in any of the publicity shots with the rest since at least last year sometime.
they're both of doing other things. i think Damon said so in an interview at some point recently.
the only question on my mind is; WHAT'S THE POINT?! what was the point of introducing two new characters if they don't play ANY significant role in the island mysteries, and who then get killed off so soon. i don't get it..
why would nikki (and paulo?) want everyone to think that paulo is dead?????why???
and anyway.. i thought this episode shows us what the other losties were up in the camp while the main characters where out there saving the world.. so does this mean this spider thing happened before or it happens "NOW"?? anyway they won't die..they'll grawl their way back to the beach. -_-
It would be impossible for Shannon and Boone have been switched with Nikki and Paulo in first class because promo pictures show Nikki with both Boone and Shannon also in the shot.
I can't wait for this episode, but I hope Nikki doesn't die. Kill of Paulo all you want, but what would be the point of introducing two character's, just learning of their backstory then killing them both off
I know there needs to be cannon fodder, but they are listed as series regulars in the opening titles (even though their not really). That has to mean there going to be in for more than just Further Instructions, The Cost Of Living, Enter 77 and Expose
I'm thinking this will be a good episode, but I hope they arn't both killed off just as we get to know them - because love them or hate them, you're still talking about them
What no one has mentioned about the Trailer is that when we see the LOSTies shoveling dirt into the grave (the camera)... you can see the dirt morph into "smokie / the black cloud" as it falls into the grave. - DocH
It is clear now. The father of Suns' child is Sawyer. She "gave it up" to him in order to get something that he had hoarded.
"What no one has mentioned about the Trailer is that when we see the LOSTies shoveling dirt into the grave (the camera)... you can see the dirt morph into "smokie / the black cloud" as it falls into the grave. - DocH"
-Now why would the dirt morph into smokey? Oh I know cuz maybe the trailer turned to black and white duh!