Update: 11th December 2007 As per the new spoiler posted in the Spoiler Section. I can now confirm this as true.
I've just had some interesting info from a source, which although I believe is correct due to their track record, I will post it in Rumours until I get confirmation from another source and then move it over to the Spoilers section. I can't post the full contents of the message but I will summarize it here.
- There are no Sawyer flashbacks/flashforwards in the first 8 Episodes of next year
- Sawyer is not one of the Losties that got off the island
- The fact that he is not off the island does not necessarily mean that he his dead or won't at some point in the future, however, when the Jack/Kate scene takes place at the end of Season 3, Sawyer is still on the Island.
Source: DarkUFO
TRUE: Sawyer not getting off the Island
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if this is true it is very interesting.
also if it is true then the 'he will wonder where i am' that kate referes to in the season 3 finale when she meets jack cant be sawyer as alot of people have speculated... interestin stuff
I don't know why but something tells me she is going to be back with Nathan Fillion(sp?) ex husband. Somehow.
"I don't know why but something tells me she is going to be back with Nathan Fillion(sp?) ex husband. Somehow."
That's what I think too. And I definitely hope so, because that would make Kate's FB in "I Do" significant.
So some Losties really don't leave the island? Or maybe the showrunners don't want to explain Sawyer's absence in the FFs by revealing that he's going to die in the end?
Darkstream agree with you -I think she was going to see Kevin too.
If Sawyer stayed behind alive in the island, how come Kate (who liked him a lot as far as we know) rebuffed Jack's attempt to go back?
Either she is a selfish b**** or he is dead.
I hope this rumour is not true.
Well now if this is correct.I think that "He" from the flash foward is Kate's child.
No, she couldn't leave a baby alone!!!
If this rumour is true I also believe that "he" is Kate and Sawyer's child.
But wasn't the season premiere supposed to be at least partly Sawyer centric?
There were spoilers about Sawyer being in a car chase if I remember correctly.
And in that case(if it was a baby) Jack will come to Kate's home.It's definitly a man she was going to see.
I highly doubt this is true....and I really pray that I am not proven wrong.
There's always the possibility that the car chase scene was for a mobisode.
This is an interesting development as I thought the first or second episode involved Sawyer in the "Tampa Job" featuring a car crash.
Anyway, here is my prediction for Sawyer in Season 4.
http://lostislandtime.blogspot.com/2007/09/s-4-prediction.html
I think Sawyer will die in the last season. That's the most logical solution I guess.
I think Sawyer will die too,but not now.I've never thought Kate's "he" was Sawyer,It must be someone way less predictable and pointless.maybe someone who's tied with the all "I'm sick of lying" mystery.a dharma person maybe.
no one ever told us that ALL the Losties are gonna get "rescued" from the island so...this is an interesting rumor
I don't think Sawyer will die, the season 5 probably is gonna show the survivors off the island and some survivors haft to be continue on the island, for exemple Sawyer, Desmond and Juliet, they three is gonna have flashbacks or not fb/ff on this season maybe because they not gonna leave the island.
4x01 - Hurley (?)
4x02 - ? (?)
4x03 - Sayid (flashforward)
4x04 - Kate (flashforward)
4x05 - Desmond (flashback)
4x06 - Juliet (flashback)
4x07 - Sun & Jin (flashforward)
4x08 - Michael (flashback)
Somehow I still can't believe that Sayid has a flashforward.
hmmm.. i remember hearing that the first episode of season 4 was a Sawyer/Hurley centric episode... didnt we hear something about Sawyer and the police and a car chase and stuff like that?
It would make sense if it turned out to be true. That seems to be in line with Sawyers character - for whatever reason that he would remain on the island, that he would not be one of the survivors to leave. Either he would be dead, or he would let everyone go before himself.
Hulk I agree with you-I think the "he" is Kate and Sawyer's child. Foxygirl, she could have had a nanny watch over the baby while she went out. A two or three year old would be wondering where mom was. A younger baby would be wondering where dinner (mom) was. This just about invalidates these theories since I am always wrong.
Nevertheless I think a number of characters decide to stay behind. Kate would have stayed with Sawyer I think but she had to leave because it was a death sentence to stay and be pregnant. At least a trial would give her a chance at living. If Sawyer leaves, it is a death sentence for that cold-blooded murder. I can see that slowly killing Sawyer-to have to let Kate go like that.
Well i think Sawyer isn't gona die.At first because the love triangle.Carlton saied that the triangle will go for a long time.And they say last year that is good that Josh have contract for six seasons.because if not they must change certain storylines.And they will not kill of Sawyer.He is one of the most popular characters.Carlton saied that in the Dvd box set.Now i think characters who will levae the island are:Jack,Kate,Sayid,Jin,Sun,Ben or Locke i think one of them was in the coffin.
I agree that he won´t have a flashforward, and I think the same about Locke. If we know the future of all of the characters it would be quite boring.And I like that, I have never been a big fan of flashbacks/flashforwards.
But, in my opinion, they will definitely have flashbacks, there're a lot of holes in their past, and the same with Desmond and Ben.
And I like the fact that some people is not going to get off the Island, I love it.
since the season three finale and Jack's "we have to go back" i've always assumed some losties got off the island, and others were left behind. i think we'll see a number escape this season while others stay behind to deal with some conflict on the island (locke, desmond, sawyer). Mostly the characters that have developed and redeemed themselves already on the island will stay behind, and the last season will be Jack and those who left coming back to help/save them.
I assume Juliet is left behind. Otherwise she would be with Jack.
Like a few other posters, I remember claims that Episode #1 contained Sawyer (as well as Hurley) FBs. That always struck me as strange because it doesn't seem to fit.
I'm not ready to buy this just yet. I cannot imagine that we will learn Sawyer's ultimate fate in the first 8 episodes of this year.
I don’t expect Sawyer to die anytime soon. But part of me suspects he won’t get off the island alive either. I agree with mne that if he had been left behind alive on the island, Kate would want to go back for him. Her reaction to Jack indicates there was nothing for her to go back to. I don’t know who the “he” is in Kate’s future. It seemed too good to be true that it would be Sawyer. If it had been, the writers wouldn’t have needed to be so ambiguous by using the word “he”, although that does give them more latitude in the story, the same as not opening the coffin.
Sawyer was one of several characters ripped off last year by only getting one flashback; now he supposedly doesn’t get any in the first 8 episodes! This certainly seems unfair to Sawyer fans. I don’t hate Jack, but we had 4 hours of Jack centric flashback/flashforwards and one was the unfortunate “Stranger in a Strange Land” (sorry Jack fans, I didn’t enjoy those flashbacks). I suspect that even with the shortened season he will have a minimum of 2 this year. I know Matthew Fox is considered the “star” and the “center” of the show, but it would still be nice to see some of the supporting players get a little more love. I’ve been waiting over a year for another Sawyer centric episode so I really hope that this rumor/spoiler is wrong.
^I totally agree with Dana! If this rumor is true, then I will be very dissappointed! I like all of the characters on the show, but Sawyer was my favorite by far last season. I was really hoping that he would continue to grow as a main character with a lot of screen time this season, but if this rumor is correct then it doesn't sound like that will happen. :(
The amount of centric episodes a character gets doesn't have anything to do with his screentime or importance in the plot. Just look at Sawyer last season!
With 16 episodes per season and a maincast of at least 13 characters, most of them will only have one centric episodes. So Sawyer's is in the second half of the season. Doesn't sound bad to me.
My thoughts: "He" is Kate's and Sawyer's son. After he realized that Kate was pregnant, Sawyer made sure that she got off the island with Jack. He stayed behind. Kate didn't want to go back to the island because a) she thinks Sawyer is dead and b) she has a young child who needs her and c) she and Jack have been threatened with who-knows-what if they make the attempt. I hope that the return to the island happens relatively soon. I can't imagine these characters, especially Kate and Sawyer, being parted for long. Of course, this is all pure speculation.
So does this mean episode 1 will be a full Hurley episode? I can wait for the 2nd half to watch a Sawyer Centric, probably 'The Tampa Job!!' But he should have one of his episodes instead of Jack's during Season 3.
If Sawyer does stay on the island, I think it will be 'cos he helps the likes of Locke, Desmond, Danielle & co.
I have never cared about the number of centric-episodes, it has nothing to do with a character time or importance, so I have no reason to complain.
But why some of you think that Sawyer not getting off the Island means something bad? I think that this is a good thing. I was always more interested in the on-Island action.
I agree Emyebo. Even though Sawyer only got one flashback, I would say that centricity for The Brig was shared equally by him and Locke, as well as a lot of the drama in Expose surrounded Sawyer as well. And in Left Behind when Hurley threatened to banish Sawyer, I would say he was reasonably centric to the beach plot in that episode as well. Really, Sawyer and Hurley both grew a whole lot this season with only having one centric episode.
I could totally see Sawyer getting stuck on the island. As we saw in TTLG, getting off the island ain't such a great thing.
I think every regular character that doesn't get a FB this year will stay behind on the island. It's only gonna be a few (definately Desmond, Michael and Juliet, probably Sawyer, Locke and Ben) but what's the point otherwise? Maybe there's not enough space on the rescue boats or helicopters and the pregnant women as well as injured people have priority.
So I can picture a guy like Sawyer to pass on rescue. Maybe he asked Kate to promise him not to come back and that's why she doesn't want to go back. That would be some character developement for her because it would show us that she has learnt her lesson from LB.
How much would it piss off BOTH the Jaters/Skaters if Kate ended up with...neither! Haha. Would make my fuckin' season. Least we wouldn't have anymore disputing for the final two seasons.
Kristin at E! has pretty much confirmed the substance of this. In Sayid's flashforward, he mentions that he's one of the "Oceanic Six" and received a large financial settlement. So apparently only six Losties will make it off the island.
Hmmm. Where did you hear about the "Oceanic Six?"
That makes a strange kind of sense regarding the phantom number six that appears at the tail end of some previews and teasers . . .
Maybe that's what the six is all about?
Of course, it could also mean the number of total seasons, but what point is there in adding that to the teasers and trailers?
Or did I miss an incredibly important spoiler somewhere? This is the first time I've heard of the "Oceanic Six."
Heres my theory,
Like Precious said...pregnant woman and the injured will the main priority for getting off the island.
If Kate is pregnant, and for example, Jack was seriously injured(perhaps the start of his addiction to the meds), the helicopter could only fit a certain amount of people, they are not that big.
They say that they will be back for the other survivors. Ben, the others, and Sawyer know very well that it will not happen.
He tells Kate not to come back to protect her and the child(or even just her). I seriously hope if he is alive, left behind on the island, it doesn't end there.
Um, everyone saying that "He'll wonder where I am" refers to Kate's kid....
How old, exactly, do you think this kid is? Even if the FF is in 2007, that kid is at most like 2. With as late as it looks, I don't think any 2 year old is wondering why Kate is out and about so late. Plus, what responsible parent would leave a kid that small home, alone?
It's not her kid, unless that FF is many years in the future.
The reason I would like to see another Sawyer-centric episode is that I really enjoyed learning about his past, although I would rather it be something else other than another con job. (The writers have wonderful imaginations, but sometimes they seem to get a little stuck with back stories and not just for Sawyer.) There are so many other directions they could go with his character that would be fascinating. I do think Sawyer does play a major role on island, but I'm a little greedy and would like to see a little more of his off island time. If the writers wanted to make that happen they could.
I personally don't see a happy ending for Sawyer and Kate, but I would be surprised if there were really any happy endings when this show concludes. I think Sawyer will die probably on island and probably near the end of the series. I'm already preparing for it. If he doesn't, so much the better, but I think Sawyer fans should be prepared.
Oh, something happened to myopenid account again, so now I'm dana23 instead of just dana. I seem to be having trouble keeping a good account name and password. This is my third one. If this doesn't stick, I may give up. But I'll continue visiting and enjoying the site and the conversations.
Apparently the "Oceanic Six" comment was taken off of Kristin's page....either that or I am blind & my browser's search feature doesn't work......very interesting!
Here're a couple of thoughts I had:-
1) people who die on the island can't leave - they can live again but only on the island;
2) The "end" we saw at the end of season 3 was far from the end of the story - I believe it'll be the end of season 4 (in "realtime") and we'll see them going back to the island in season 5.
Christamc said...
Apparently the "Oceanic Six" comment was taken off of Kristin's page....either that or I am blind & my browser's search feature doesn't work......very interesting!
yes, it was taken off her page and now it is posted here in the spoiler's section for all to enjoy and discuss...
He tells Kate not to come back to protect her and the child(or even just her)....
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and kate just listenes to him???
hmmm... that would be interesting if she doesnt come back for sawyer since she didnt listen to jack when he told him not to come back for him and risked her life to save jack!
and yes kristin comfirmed these rumors...
so "the he" is not sawyer...
"he" cant be a baby or a little kid coz kids or babies dont stay awake in the middle of the night sitting and wondering where their mommy's been...
i really like those spoilers!!! i cant wait to see who is this mysterious he!
Um, everyone saying that "He'll wonder where I am" refers to Kate's kid....
How old, exactly, do you think this kid is? Even if the FF is in 2007, that kid is at most like 2. With as late as it looks, I don't think any 2 year old is wondering why Kate is out and about so late. Plus, what responsible parent would leave a kid that small home, alone?
It's not her kid, unless that FF is many years in the future.
First of all, that FF scene takes place at night, but it could be as early as 10 or 11, not necessarily the middle of the night. Secondly, anyone who's ever been the parent of a toddler (baby would be two years old by then) can tell you it's not uncommon for them to wake up and come looking for Mommy... whether it's for a glass of water or a bad dream or a need to go to the bathroom, waking up and looking for Mommy is pretty commonplace.
If a small child knows beforehand that Mommy's going out and a sitter will be looking after him, that's different from a toddler just waking up and finding Mommy's not there and a sitter's there instead. That makes for an unhappy little boy wondering where his Mommy is. Doesn't seem a stretch to me at all that "He'll be wondering where I am," could refer to a child.
It may not. It might be a new significant other, for all we know. But the phrasing certainly doesn't preclude it being a child IMO.
In any case, now we know why Jack's a basket case in the finale FF. His watch as "leader" ended with most of the Losties being left behind. A failure like that has got to sting.
Kate knows there is no way of getting back. Jack hasn't exactly turned up with a plan. What she said to Jack was that it was right for them to leave the island. I think she said this because she knows that if she had stayed then she would have died because she was in fact pregnant. The 'he' is Sawyer's child. It is irrelevant whether a young child would really be wondering where she was, she was anxious to get away from Jack.
This just plain sucks!!!
Sawyer will prolly get killed by monster cos he killed Cooper after all.
Sun killed Colleen and yet she still gets to leave. Hurley helped bury Nikki and Paulo alive and Sayid tortured a bunch of people and even killed that other guy with his feet and yet they both get to leave. I truely doubt that Sawyer being left behind has anything to do with his sins on the island.
I think Juliet is going to be killed at some point in the future - that's why she's not one of the Oceanic 6.
I think Sawyer is one of the castaways left on the island because like it or not, he's a reluctant hero who would rather see everyone saved before he would accept rescue for himself. Even if he could get away with "Freckles," he would probably make sure that everyone else could get a way off the island - if they wanted it.
If spoilers are correct, then Sayid, Jin and Sun leave the island because we have seen flashforwards of them. We know Jack and Kate get off. That's five. Desmond has to get off too to be reunited with Penny but since he was not only plane he wouldn't be part of the six.
I can see Michael and Walt using aliases after what he did on the island so they would not count as part of the six either.
This does not bode well for Aaron and Claire. What happens to them after they get on that helicopter? They have to leave or Charlie's sacrifice was in vain and I can't see the writers doing that. Maybe you can't leave the island after being born on it. Elizabeth Mitchell said she cried after reading a script. Reading about Claire's or Aaron's deaths would do that to you. One of them won't survive. Love spoilers like this.
wow, i agree with almost everything maureen had to say. It makes a lot of sense. obviously, kate has to leave the island if she is pregnant, even if she wanted to stay with sawyer. sawyer is forced to stay either by the others or because if he gets back to the real world he'll be in jail, so he's forced to let kate go. it's almost like for te first time kate isn't choosing to run away, she's being forced to. ah, now there's some irony.
either that or sawyer dies, i could see that happening too.
i was reading that there is gonna be a spilt on the island into two groups ??
if so then maybe sawyer stays behind with locke, ben, etc, and the other 6 get rescued ?? i have read on this blog in the spoilers section that sawyer will side with locke and we all know what he wants :P ???
Lost always start off with a Jackcentric episode. Why change now?
My theory is that this is why Jack wants to go back to the island. For some reason, the "Oceanic 6" were the only ones able to get off the island and Jack feels guilty.
my last comment was in reference to Caca01 list of season 4 episodes...
@amelia - Lost always start off with a Jackcentric episode. Why change now?
Many of the other main characters are long overdue for centrics. I'm happy to see the change.
@amelia
Jack had the 2 hour season 3 finale. I don't think it would be prudent to have what would basically be back to back Jack centric episodes. Hurley only had one last year along with Sawyer, Sayid, Charlie, and Claire. Why not let someone else start the season?
I'm hoping Sawyer takes Lockes side and stays on the island. That would be a total turnover and really pretty unexpected. But something really big has to be revealed pretty damn soon for anyone but Locke to WANT to stay there. Maybe Jack makes some kind of deal with the "boat people", or just takes a quick one time only opportunity to get some of them off the island when he can't get all of them off at once.
Hulk, TPTB said in season one that as long as Dom came out of his trailer he'd get to stay on the island and now he's dead. Dont' assume that just because a character is part of the Core Four that they live. I think Sawyer dies too. One of the Core Four has to, please. But dear god I wish it were Kate instead, or Jack.
I don't know why anyone has to "die" on this show. Anyone of our favorite Losties that is. I watch this show not only because I love it, but I also love the characters. If only 6 get off the island, I'd see the past 6 years as a waste of time and investment in a show, that isn't giving us fans what we have come to want and love. Really, if this year ends up killing off more main characters, especially my favorite Sawyer, I'll be looking for something else to watch, and just catch the last episode. That way I won't be wasting my time on a show that kills off main characters for shock value.