Thanks to Lyly for the following from her source. I'm hoping to confirm these various Episode 4.04 rumours in the next couple of days. We suspect this is the same source as the previous rumour but we are investigating.
This episode will be bad for both ships. Sawyer and Kate have a falling out, Jack and Kate have some extremely touching moments but it doesn't end well.
Kate finally is free from the law and that is because of "him".
The ending is not what is great for shippers. The episode is. The ending has more to do with who gets off the island.
There will be romantic FF jate stuff but it doesn't end well.No skate in FF.I'm not too clear on the Skate stuff on island only that Sawyer doesn't take the whole baby thing well.
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This is from the same guy who gloated to the Jater that Skate was over forever? He sounds like a real prince. Doesn't sound like Skate is over at all. Separation is the classic romantic device, and it's cool they're getting romantic Jate out of the way, showing it end badly with no Sawyer in sight. Sounds pretty good for Skaters actually.
Sounds like they're going to be a mom and dad together as well. What was the deal with that PM to the Jater? It was nasty and apparently untrue. I guess he didn't expect it to get out.
I don't understand how the episode can be both "bad for both ships" and also be an episode that's "great for shippers" all at the same time.
I guess because both ships will get moments they enjoy, but in the end, Kate and Sawyer will part on bad terms (which is classic). And we'll see that Jack and Kate don't work romantically, so that will be put to rest for the future. That will be tough to take, since there's nowhere much for them to go after that. If they can be together with no obstacles and no Sawyer, and it still ends badly, and they're NOT separated, that sounds more like the end of Jate than the end of Skate.
Again, I wonder. What was up with that meanspirited PM this guy sent to the Jaters? If this is the same guy, that's strange.
Thanks dark and lyly. I am so excited to see this episode now yay!!!!
I guess Kate will be pregnant. As we know, Jack and Kate will make it off the island. Maybe after the trial, Jack will tell Kate that he will help her with the baby. Like Charlie did with Claire. A nice shout-out to my favourite pairing on this show. :) They will try to play family but it doesn't end well. I'm not a triangle shipper but if I was a Jater, I would be pissed off. Considering that many of the FF scenes will surely be about the trial as well as the final reveal, the exploration of the Jack and Kate romance will be 10 minutes long.
Looks like the on-island story line will continue with the season 3 pairings.
I think that it is good episode for skater than for jaters. But I am sorry for Juliet because she is so sweet and Jack apparently doesn´t open his eyes...yet.
I think Jack and Kate shippers will be lucky to get 10 minutes. The whole FF will take up about 15 minutes in the episode, so they'll get maybe 90 seconds. And then it will all be over, maybe forever. It really sounds like they just wanted to get it out of the way.
Is this the same source as the previous rumor? It sounds like we've got a bad game of telephone going on.
I wonder who on earth "him" could be. If we could just get a rumor on that tidbit. Maybe I'll start one! ;)
I think it will be the end of skate somehow.
and of course we can't have jate marriage in the same ep.Jate moments doesn't end well because of some force,something or someone will interrupt them.But this will be a start...
And "he" is her ex husband I think
I think that it is good episode for skater than for jaters. But I am sorry for Juliet because she is so sweet and Jack apparently doesn´t open his eyes...yet. - aliasledger
If it turns out that Juliet gets left behind like Sawyer does, the episode will be as good for your ship as it will be for S&K fans. C'mon, the obstacles are out of the way and Jack and Kate still won't last. It can't be any more obvious than that.
I think the on-island story line will continue with the season 3 pairings and I once read a post by Jorge Garcia at the Fuse where he said that Hurley won't make a move on Juliet because he couldn't do that to Jack. He posted that while they were in the process of filming season 4 so I wouldn't be so pessimistic if I were you.
I have a reason to be pessimistic. They killed off my beloved Charlie & Claire pairing and I think a Des & Penny reunion won't happen before season 6.
I don't see how this episode will be bad for jaters. Of course there couldn't be any love declaration from Kate just yet, it's too soon. They just give the basis for an upcoming relationship while eliminating skate. They couldn't just delete skate from the scene and make jate get married. The good thing for jaters is that this episode will prove what they have been saying all along, that jate is not done. It will be nice for those in denial who thought that Kate had made her choice last season. It all goes to zero once again. And the fact that skate had had its course last year shows to me that it's gonna be jate in the end.
Well, by that logic sofia then having Jate get together in the FF for one episode means they're done also.
This is good for Skate for the following reasons. IT sounds like there's a baby, which means they're bonded, and it also means they separate. Which means the return to the island (which MF all but confirmed in his interview) will REUNITE them. Classic, classic romantic set up.
This is bad for Jate for the following reasons: Sounds like they're pushing them together for some quickie thing that ENDS BADLY. Then we know they are free to get together, but as of the FF, they're APART. Jack is gross and Kate wants no part of him.
Of course they're leaving both ships open. They always said they'd do that. But it really looks like they're taking all the romantic energy out of Jate this way (not that they had much to begin with) and it's going to END and NOT WELL. Meanwhile the entire Skate story lives, because they have a child together, and Kate is going to "go back" to where Sawyer is. Bring it on! Sounds great!That's how a real love story works, not weird and gross and awkward people who avoid each other, like Jack and Kate will be doing in the FF.
The confidence that some of you have in your own speculation is amusing.
Oh man... some people will be so dissapointed after this episode. It will be a huge let down...
*hush*
Of course they're leaving both ships open. They always said they'd do that. But it really looks like they're taking all the romantic energy out of Jate this way (not that they had much to begin with) and it's going to END and NOT WELL. - Veronique
Do you know when the triangle will end? I think it will end when Jack, Kate and possibly Penny make it finally back to the island in the FFs. The couples will get reunited and that will be it. It might also happen 2 or 3 episodes later because we don't know how Sawyer (and possibly Juliet if she indeed stays behind and lives) is going to react. Des & Penny, however, will clearly share a beautiful reunion right at the get-go.
Veronique, you seem to be supporting your theory on your personal opinion. Like, what you say about Kate being disgusted by Jack, i didn't see that at all. Also, the spoiler didn't say their "relationship" (whatever that is) ends, but their touching moments. So i can't see how the road is open again for skate. They could might as well hook up once they're back on the island. And as for the baby theory i really can't see how you saw that in the spoilers. Besides, do you really think that Kate is so selfish and stupid to go back to the island having her baby with her? Also, Sawyer has another baby and i don't see him very bonded with the mother of his child, so i don't see how tha baby could bond eternally forever skate.
It looks like "he" will be standing in the way of Jack and Kate getting together on mainland.
Maybe they'll meet secretly. I don't really care.
I just hope Sawyer will stay out of the triangle for good and Kate isn't actually pregnant with his baby.
Hmmm well I'm a Jater who's now officially been fully deflated from the high I've been feeling these last couple of days.
To say there are romantic scenes in the FF excite me undoubtedly - however if TPTB are just going to give Jate a quick "flash in the pan" like some people are suggesting on here, then I think I'd rather not have Jack and Kate end up romanticly involved at all. I couldn't cope just seeing a one night stand between them and then both realising they've made a mistake, it would be worse for me than the whole stupid mini-arc last year.
It really depends on the circumstances of the whole "doesn't end well" thing, and whether or not its factors which effect Jate are related to the triangle and Sawyer rather than Jack and Kate being forced apart unwillingly.
Oh crap I'm nervous! and please no baby! god I need a dose of optimisim stat!
Maybe Sawer will tell Kate about the baby he already has and about Cassy...
I just have this strong feeling that it will be the biginnig of end for skate.
And they are not free to be together.They forced to be apart.Read MF intervew.
And they are not free to be together.They forced to be apart.Read MF intervew. - foxygirl
Where does he say that? This is what he said and to me, it doesn't look like the survivors aren't allowed to see each other anymore.
MF: Jack and the other people, upon getting back to the world, are not being honest with the world. They are covering up [something]. That's an agreement that they've all reached. And it's a weird, gross little bond that they have with each other. They don't see each other much, but when they see each other, it's incredibly awkward. And this lie — you can cut it with a knife amongst them.
There's something weird about the lastest two rumours, they seem to contradict what the previous sources said. How could this episode be one for the "shippers legends" or one that "your wife and girlfriend would love" if its bad for both ships. Something good must happen to one ship or the other. Hopefully something good happens for skate.
The confidence that some of you have in your own speculation is amusing.
Oh man... some people will be so dissapointed after this episode. It will be a huge let down...
*hush*
I no right? lol!
know*
Kate is the perverbale village bicycle, everyone has had a ride :)
and hurley is next WOOHOO !
Hurley + Kate = HATE !
I am a Skater and I love the romance between Kate and Sawyer that Josh and Evi have sold on screen with their remarkable chemistry. If TPTB are writing an epic love story, one that we will be talking about twenty years after the show goes off the air, they need to exercise some care. The networks seem to believe that sex sells but the truth is that only when the audience has made a huge emotional investment in the characters does passion seem real and not just gratuitous. Lost is not a soap opera and they run the risk of destroying any chance of the word epic being used for either Skate or Jate if they cheapen both relationships by playing musical beds a la Grey’s Anatomy. No one watching Grey’s anymore gives a damn about the romantic pairings because they hop from bed to bed. Twenty years from now Grey’s will barely be remembered and no one will be talking about the epic love story at the core of that show. Lost hit the gold mine with Kate and Sawyer, chemistry like that comes along once in a generation, if that often. If Kate, Sawyer and Lost are going to be remembered the way Moonlighting was and Gone with the Wind still is. TPTB need to be careful not to destroy everything they have written so beautifully for this unconventional, flawed, and compelling couple who have the ability to light up our screens and haunt our hearts.
Sawyer not taking “the whole baby thing well” sounds like Kate is pregnant. There is seldom contention between couples when there is no pregnancy unless the couple is trying to have a baby. Should be interesting.
We must see in what circumstances the whole "it doesn't end well" fits.
For a sample: On the island, they could kiss and all but that won't change the fact that Kate may possible be pregnant and there are those new people that they can't trust living among them. So they're not gonna be together at that moment, the "it doesn't end well" could fit in that situation.
For another sample: The FF, they could kiss and tell they miss each other but that won't change the fact that something is on their way of "being together", the "it doesn't end well" could fit in that situation.
As a Jater i don't see how that situations could be bad for Jate.
So again, we can't take anything from those spoilers before we actually see in what situations they fit.
Let'sprad the loooove!
And Jate will be together!James&Kate
how about kate + juliet = Jate ?
Great post, LostTVFan. Right now, all the emotional resonance has been invested in Skate. They absolutely owned all the big relationship moments in S3, and their relationship is still ongoing. I don't see any way they can build Jate up to such a point in 4 episodes. That just doesn't make sense in storytelling terms.
I can't wait to see this episode. Roll on Season 4!
methosrocks said...
Right now, all the emotional resonance has been invested in Skate. They absolutely owned all the big relationship moments in S3, and their relationship is still ongoing. I don't see any way they can build Jate up to such a point in 4 episodes. That just doesn't make sense in storytelling terms.
Really? The Big emotional scene's like, Kate sleeping with Sawyer after she saw Jack & Juilet eating together, or the time where she looked like she's rather be hanging out with smokey than snuggling with Sawyer..
methosrocks, how about what they built between Jack and Kate in those 3 seasons? is that nothing?
No, big emotional scenes like the gorgeous love scene. Or Sawyer kneeling down in the rain to take a bullet while Kate begged for his life. Or that beautiful hug on the beach. And none of those scenes involved handcuffs either.
I'm interested in luciana above. She seems to think we'll be disappointed. I wonder if it's that hard to understand that painful separations and fights are part of what makes a love story epic. If that's what happens for Sawyer and Kate in this episode, I doubt any of their fans will be disappointed.
Veronique said...
No, big emotional scenes like the gorgeous love scene. Or Sawyer kneeling down in the rain to take a bullet while Kate begged for his life. Or that beautiful hug on the beach. And none of those scenes involved handcuffs either.
Always's back to the handcuff's;)
I'm not dismissing any of those, though the gorgeous love scene is debatable? c the "I didn't love it" thread @ the fuselage..(Just saying..)
But I will say that the scene's you posted all happened prior to pity/jelously sex...Skate seems some what off since then..
Well tiarna, it seems it always comes back to "jealousy sex" and the post coital in The Brig, so you know c'est la vie. As a jater I wouldn't expect you to find I Do beautiful, but your proof about the fuse is a joke. All Jaters did was create multiple screen names and post hateful crap about the episode and how the writers ruined their show.
boogie said...
Well tiarna, it seems it always comes back to "jealousy sex" and the post coital in The Brig, so you know c'est la vie. As a jater I wouldn't expect you to find I Do beautiful, but your proof about the fuse is a joke. All Jaters did was create multiple screen names and post hateful crap about the episode and how the writers ruined their show.
Alrighty?.. I'm not going to argue with you, I have my view & you have your's, also I'm not in the habit of creating false user names to post "hateful" c*** about a episode. I'd like to see your prove of that so called act happening do?
I'll take "I Do" with it's beautiful love scene, post coital perfection and spooning and give you the glass wall conversation. I'll take the reunion hug and give you the scene in the rec room where Kate is left in tears. I'll take Sawyer kneeling in the rain willing to give up his life for Kate and give you Jack planning on sailing home with his new BFF. I'll take all the kisses and passion S3 Skate got and give you what Jack got, Juliet. Viewers know what romance looks like, what chemistry looks like, we are hard wired to recognize it and in polls like the Tater Tops they voted Skate number one and not for the first time.The chemistry between Josh and Evi is the reason the story took a turn from it's original, you could see it coming for a mile pairing and did something unexpected and fresh. Jate will always exist, their relationship is central to the story Lost is telling. TPTB have invested three years in the Skate story and waited 55 hours to show us this couple consumating a relationship that even one of the show runner said is love and is just beginning. They were worried from the start that the Moonlighting Effect would dampen interest in a couple who got together so early. Season Four will be their attempt to keep the fans engrossed in Kate and Sawyer and their journey. They won't make it easy but it is going to be great viewing and exactly what Skate fans ecpected.
What the hell is a "shipper"...?
Seems like a reference to a Jater or a Skater, but what do ships have to do with it?
^Relation-SHIPS
I'm not a shipper but I'm curious as to how skaters think the writers will reconcile the Cass-Sawyer-Kate triangle.
How will Kate react when she finds out Sawyer is Mama Cass's baby daddy?
Great double post losttvfan...
3 season of great great Skate love/ angst situations, amazing romantic moments between them...3 season, TPTB are not going to throw that in the mud...TPTB are building a great couple on TV history. Evi and Josh have that chemistry and they show it on the screen. and it's not good for Skaters, because it's hard to see 2 people in love but for the circumstances they can't not be together and even more now that they are having a baby, specially for Kate she is going to be alone dealing with everything and it's too much...waiting for a great great Evi performance in this episode...and lostmio about your question i really want to see Kate and Cass again...sure Cass remember Kate, she knows her name and she will recognize her face is Kate shows on tv... probably not this episode but i think we'll see Kate and Cass again "watching another girl's back"
The rumour already states that there is no romantic Jate on the island. It's gonna happen off the island with no obstacles in the way and it still won't last.
Well, at least your couple didn't get killed off. :(
The rumour already states that there is no romantic Jate on the island. It's gonna happen off the island with no obstacles in the way and it still won't last.
Well, at least your couple didn't get killed off. :(
Omg, are you talking about Jack and Kate?
hahahahahahaha seriously?!
We don't even know the circumstances, how can you presume something like that? hahahaha
Relax ;)
well i'm still very happy with those rumors as a jater coz we already know from the FF scene in the finale that jate has a falling out in the future and the FF scene probably takes place after kate's trial... so its not surprising to hear that things doesnt end well for jate...
probably after the trial jate will seperate...because of "him" or because they have to!
and as darlton said they will start telling us the story beyond the FF scene and things wont stay grim for jate till the end!
something tells me that i will love this season :)
I've thought for a long time now that Jate is dead in terms of "romantic" potential. AFAIC, Matthew Fox's latest interview just nailed the coffin shut.
They spent all of season 3 showing us that Jack and Kate do NOT "get" each other. They misread each other all season long. The next thing they'll do is show us that whatever they feel for each other simply doesn't translate effectively to romance, and the fact that they'll be able to accomplish that in one episode is telling.
The "weird gross bond" among the O6 that makes it "extremely awkward" when they get together - "rarely" - tells me that no functioning Jate is planned for the interim between the time they get off the island and the timeframe of the finale FF. What comes after that is anybody's guess. Will there really be a trip back to the island? Sounds as though Kate is pregnant, so how would a child fit into a trip back scenario? Do Kate and Jack redeem themselves for whatever lies they've told and THEN they're free to be together? I doubt it. More likely, this will lead to a reunion between Kate and Sawyer at some point because that's where all the relationship angst was invested in S3 and it looks like that will continue into S4. My money is still on Skate as I do see them as having been shaped into the show's OTP. Their desperate protectiveness of each other in the mini-arc set it up beautifully.
As for whoever cited the Fuse's "Didn't like it" thread about "I Do", check out TWoP or Lost-TV for comparison. There wasn't nearly the kind of criticism anywhere else like as there was at the Fuse. Now count the number of posters who joined the Fuse just to make those (often vile) comments, usinig the same phrases over and over, and who've never been heard from since. What happened there is pretty obvious.
hmmm.... from some of the posts here, it looks like most of you have already seen the episode and know all the facts. Lucky bunch you are. Sucks for me being all the way on the other side of the world i guess.
"weird gross bond" comment has been made for the awkward relationship between the Oceanic 6 after they left teh island and after they all agreed to lie about something... but some of you guys take it as this comment has been made only for jate... its so obvious that something terrible has happened and they somehow forced to lie (maybe they just thought its better to lie) so all this lie and the thing that has happened made their friendship become awkward...
what happened? when have they all decided to lie? and Why? we dont know yet! but one thing is sure for me, even if jate arent together in the future its not because they dont love eachother or because they dont want to be together its because of the things thats happened, its because of the lie that they are telling and maybe its because of something bigger than we're all thinking... but defitily its not because they've chosen to go on their own ways coz they dont love and want eachother!
and this is so not surprising for me... after the FF scene...
IMO jate has way more chemistry than skate... and jate is still a romantic pairing and they still have a great potential...
and who says they dont have chance? LOL
a triangle, where only one couple share the physical relationship while the other only shares looks, longing and undeniable feelings for eachother till the end just doesnt sound logical! but its just me...
IMHO jate will happen... eventually! its something inevitable!
I am not particularly fazed by these latest rumours. If Sawyer and Kate are having their angsty issues and breaking up on the island this early on in season 4 and Sawyer's being left behind while Kate and Jack and company get off, then for me that means that things are unresolved and will definitely continue on in later seasons. It bodes well in terms of dramatic story structure.
However, I also feel that there will be some good Jack/Kate moments that will perhaps be touching in a hallmark kind of way, and possibly have romantic undertones. However, I will expect those moments to be in the same vein as all the other Jack/Kate scenes. Pretty snoreworthy in the passion department. I wouldn't be surprised if it was more of the semi-romantic/semi-platonic, out of loyalty, we-bonded-as-survivors kind of vibe we've had in the past. Especially if Jack is turning up to Kate's trial. Maybe even testifying. Though why they would allow that I have no idea since it doesn't relate to any of her crimes.
People keep going on about Jack and Kate being "kept apart" by all these obstacles and interruptions, and mystical forces and machinations but come on...it's starting to get ridiculous. Kate's past, his daddy issues, Vincent, Michael, Ben and the Others, Sawyer, Juliet, now this 'Him'? Maybe it's fate keeping them apart hmm? Maybe they aren't meant to be together after all. Maybe the writers have decided to go another way with the story.
Because from where I am sitting, all the passion, the drama, the real angst, blood and tears, misunderstandings and separation seems to be happening between Sawyer and Kate. Jack and Kate and their survivor bond are definitely important to the over all larger story being told, but I think the romantic/OTP story arc has now been taken over by S/K.
uh uh.we're in for some great jate moments people :)
Well i have some hope now.Im a Skater But i im fine with some Jate in the FF.It will end bad.But i think if Jack\Kate go back to the island that will be the the END for Jate finaly.It's clear that the produsers are making Skate as the OTP of the show!
clear?
now that' interesting!
I'm just ..amused by some comments.thank god repeating the same thing all over again till you turn blue in the face doesn't make it true.
They spent all of season 3 showing us that Jack and Kate do NOT "get" each other
I guess you've never read any of the scripts of this show. from White Rabbit : "in some kind of cosmic way,they just GET each other"
we already know from the FF scene in the finale that jate has a falling out in the future and the FF scene probably takes place after kate's trial... so its not surprising to hear that things doesnt end well for jate...
probably after the trial jate will seperate...because of "him" or because they have to!
ITA Luthien ;) imo even tho we'll get some beautiful moments things wont end up well with J&K 'cause as we've already seen in the s3 finale,they're not together in that FF."Extremely touching" moments(Oh My God..!lol) suggests me that the "he" might have part is ripping them apart,but who knows! theres still 3 seasons to go.we're first gonna learn what happened b/w jack and kate BEFORE the FF..and then we'll see them going back to the island and to each other.as always.
I'm just glad Jate is back,how I missed them!
I don't have time now to read all the posts, I wish I could though, they all seem v. interesting :(
But this new rumour doesn't impress me much, it was pretty predictable that the TPTB would have continued with the whole Jate/Skate/new 'him' saga until 2010.
Some romantic FF Jate. I'm q. happy.
I'll catch up later during another 1-minute coffe break.
Why aren't I 18 anymore?!?
luthien: Yes it's clear to me that Skate is the OTP.And because of that they will be separated for one or two years.As you can see the olnly way Jate to be together if Sawyer is not around.And i will say again if Jack\Kate go back to the island probably with a Skate baby that will be the end for Jate!
ITA dracke!
ppl are forgetting that the actual spoilers were saying this episode will be a shipper legend, an episode that will be one of the fav episodes of the female viewers, an episode that would implode the shipper forums...
so these rumors (both) pointing out some great moments for jate and some bad moments for skate! i tend to believe that the shipper legend comment was made for jate not skate!
and for the jate dont get eachother comment: the only thing i saw in S3 was how skate was not working! the pity sex comment, kate's undeniable feelings for jack, the jealousy sex, the "i cant sleep in your tent. nothing personal" scene, sawyer's behaviours after he killed cooper, skate in the finale... skate is the couple who cant get eachother!
IMO!
"'ll take "I Do" with it's beautiful love scene, post coital perfection and spooning and give you the glass wall conversation. I'll take the reunion hug and give you the scene in the rec room where Kate is left in tears. I'll take Sawyer kneeling in the rain willing to give up his life for Kate and give you Jack planning on sailing home with his new BFF. I'll take all the kisses and passion S3 Skate got and give you what Jack got, Juliet. Viewers know what romance looks like, what chemistry looks like, we are hard wired to recognize it and in polls like the Tater Tops they voted Skate number one and not for the first time.The chemistry between Josh and Evi is the reason the story took a turn from it's original, you could see it coming for a mile pairing and did something unexpected and fresh. Jate will always exist, their relationship is central to the story Lost is telling. TPTB have invested three years in the Skate story and waited 55 hours to show us this couple consumating a relationship that even one of the show runner said is love and is just beginning. They were worried from the start that the Moonlighting Effect would dampen interest in a couple who got together so early. Season Four will be their attempt to keep the fans engrossed in Kate and Sawyer and their journey. They won't make it easy but it is going to be great viewing and exactly what Skate fans ecpected."
Awesome post losttvfan!!!!
and i will give you just...kate!
how she reacted to the pity sex comment... how she used sawyer to ease her pain... how she couldnt even sleep in his tent... how she couldnt give an answer when sawyer confront her on the jealousy sex... how she risked her own life to save jack... how devasted she looked when she realized she broke jack's heart (she broke sawyer's heart too but well she didnt really care now did she), how even one small touch has a huge effect on both kate and jack, the look she gave to jack and to sawyer in the beginning of the finale episode (for me that scene was a sumarization of kate's feelings for both men), her tears while she's leaving jack and sawyer's realization of their bond, kate's reaction after she saw juliet kissing jack, jack's love confession to kate minutes after juliet kissed him...
cant wait for the new season!
Hey dont forget Jack sacrificing his own life in I DO for Kate and Sawyer. He did it for Kate. Kate and Sawyer are kaput because Sawyer was a much more interesting character when he wasnt angling for afternoon delights and getting rebuffed!
I think Jate will take place but as seen from the FF wont last because of the "him". I think Kate's deal entails cutting ties with the losties and Kate and Jack decide to stay apart.
The ships debate won't end until the Skate fans stop mystifying what was written in the scripts by the authors.
I assume you all read the scripts even because there's no time to go find the lines and paste them here but I wish I could.
When they open the marshal halliburton and she took the plane, the scenes in front of the fire at night...go read it!
When she comes back after they hear Rousseau's call on the radio, go read it!
When she sees Jack and Ana hanging out together to build up the army, go read it!
As a shipper, I tot. understand your support for the Skate ship, I understand that you wish they could end up together, I understand your point of view about Evi and Josh chemistry, because even if I don't see at all, I actually see them as real good friends (they're always laughing) I guess this is all fine.
And nobody has ever denied that Kate likes Saywer.
She fancies him, she's attracted to him, but she doesn't love him.
I don't know, it seems like we're watching two different shows. What Luthien writes it's not her own fiction, this is what happened in the show!
It's not us making up!
Denying what the authors wrote, it's unfair!
The triangle and then the Juliet thing, the fact that they made us wait until S4 for a romantic Jate moment...it's because of purely marketing reasons, the ships debate keeps the interest alive, we discuss about it, etc. I guess we all agree about this! And after the Jate moment, there'll be a Skate moment, and after that a Jacket, and so on. But the authors know well who 'the two kindred souls' are (I QUOTE THIS FROM THE SCRIPT!) and everybody knows.
'You could put Jack and Kate on a New York City street
and have them pass each other at rush hour on a Wednesday morning.
And they would stop and turn,slowing to watch each other go by. They know each other within the context,
of a universal recognition.They have met before this life,and they will meet again in another.'
JJ Abrams
As long as Sawyer and Kate end up together I really dont care about a few minutes of Jate-snuggling in 4.4... :D
"You could put Jack and Kate on a New York City street
and have them pass each other at rush hour on a Wednesday morning.
And they would stop and turn,slowing to watch each other go by. They know each other within the context,
of a universal recognition.They have met before this life,and they will meet again in another.'
JJ Abrams"
Elisabetta that quote is fake.
as long as its jack and kate in the end i dont care about skate angst or a heartbreaking seperation! :)
yes elisabbeta that quote is made by a poster named Oracle in the fuse back in S1!
this Oracle was also a spoiler source and she said back in S2 or maybe even earlier that Jack would go through a very dark time in his life, where he's lost everyone around him and that there would be a suicide attempt but everyone just assumed it was from a FB.
the oracle must be someone who has a great source coz i dont think anyone could guess something like that back in S2!
but this is from the original scripts of White Rabbit:
"in some kind of cosmic way,they just GET each other"
luthien: Oracle was saying that the the suicide attempt by Jack will happen is season 2 in a FB.And he\she was wrong.
well thats how i know this oracle spoiler!
you have a link? coz i'm kinda sure she said "everyone will be assuming its a FB!"
and so she was wrong coz she said its gonna be the S2 finale instead S3 finale?
well since now we know that the show will end in 2010, the story can move faster but back than they didnt know how fast they should go without knowing the end-date!
she was right when she said Jack would go through a very dark time in his life
she was right when she said where he's lost everyone around him and that there would be a suicide attempt but everyone just assumed it was from a FB.
and she was wrong about the timing of this plot!
still sound like she/he knew some great info about the story!
luthien: i know he\she was right about Jack.But i think he\she was saying that will happen in a FB.Maybe im wrong i don't know.But i think that quote about Jate is fake,and im not saying that because im Skater.You can ask the Jaters from Lost-Forum about that.
i never said that the NY quote is legit! i know that it has been made from the oracle not from one of the producers or writers... and i dont like to see that quote bringing into the conversations like we need it! coz in my opinion what i see in the show is enough evidence for me to root for jate!
"i never said that the NY quote is legit!" Oh sorry i misunderstand you!
Guys thanks for telling me the quote was a FAKE! I didn't know it!
But now I do.
Anyway, I rely on the scripts only and on what they say.
I unfortunately haven't got the time to copy+paste all the wonderful things they say about Jate but if you read it you understand.
When I first read them after watching the first two seasons I couldn't believe they were giving away that much. It was like reading a novel!
I'm sorry but the hoax about JJ's quote has nothing to do with the scripts.
I respect all the jaters, but I really cannot understand that ship. I mean, I am jacketer.. but leaving that thing away, I cannot understan how you can still shipping Jack and kate after the third season, where one of the biggest things the writers did is work on skate episode by episode.
i read the scripts recently and i didnt surprise with all the comments made for jate coz thats what i was watching since the beginning!
"how you can still shipping Jack and kate after the third season, where one of the biggest things the writers did is work on skate episode by episode."
see i didnt understand this perspective... you know your comment on "work on skate episode by episode"
I do was the climax of skate and after that episode what i saw is how skate's not working together as a couple...
but obviously jaters and skaters always see things differently!
i respect your opinion and your couple prefence but i guess there is no way that jaters and skaters can see things from the same perspective :)
"i respect your opinion and your couple prefence but i guess there is no way that jaters and skaters can see things from the same perspective :)"
yeah you are right in that. LOL.
=)
Him is Arthur Stevens, the Corporate Recruiter played by Lance Reddick. He's the one who visits Hurley in Episode 1, and is clearly the one baby-sitting the people who get off the Island in the real world.
Probably only a face of the true people behind the Freighter expedition.
I really think sawyer is about to die
i wish he wasen't ,but he is
as we have heard of no skate in any FF
maybe thats why this episode dsnt go well for both ships
Omg, are you talking about Jack and Kate?
hahahahahahaha seriously?!
We don't even know the circumstances, how can you presume something like that? hahahaha
Relax ;) - fernanda
Where am I presuming anything? I've only reproduced what was written in the rumours section. Jack and Kate will share some touching/romantic moments in the FFs but it won't end well. I didn't presume anything. I seriously doubt that the he will be the reason for their break-up and Jack's downward spiral. I think it will be the guild and shame both characters will be feeling due to their actions on the island as well as the lie they have told.
The rumour already states that there is no romantic Jate on the island. It's gonna happen off the island with no obstacles in the way and it still won't last.
Well, at least your couple didn't get killed off. :(
You said like the couple is dead forever, i mean...we don't know that.
We don't know in what circumstances the "it doesn't end well" is gonna happen! So we can't presume anything.
mmm "doesnt go down well..." may mean that Kate is not suppose to be in touch with the Oceanic 6 esp Jack as they may be scared that those two may go back. I think Jack and Kate part ways because of the deal and to keep Kate out of prison.
It also means that there are 44 more episodes left whr Jack and Kate would certainly go back to the island as the FF scene last season wasnt the end.
As for Skate, I dont think it may work since Sawyer rather go on a suicide mission with Juliet or "survive" with Locke than deal with Kates possible pregnancy or be with her.
It's gonna happen off the island with no obstacles in the way and it still won't last.
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can you give me the link to the spoiler where it says jate wont last even there are no obstacles on their way in the future?
I agree with the others who have said this already - I think the "him" is Nathan Filion's character - I think his name is Kevin. It may sound corny, but I think they would be a strong couple, moreso than Kate and Sawyer or Kate and Jack. I could believe that Kevin (?) would have been able to track Kate and know when she was rescued, also that he could have police connections to help her out of her legal situation.
Also, I think that Sawyer doesn't get killed but stays on the island, probably because he's joined Locke's side. That's why I think there are no Sawyer flash forwards, at least yet.
could "him" not be the kid of kates and sawyers?
"could "him" not be the kid of kates and sawyers?" - alex_the_explorer.
That is what I think. =)
It doesn't take a genius to theorize that Kate is pregnant, Sawyer has fatherhood issues, Kate has issues with anything, or anyone, that ties her down, and that it'll end at best weirdly-badly. And Jack is the high school quarterback who told her he loved her in the S3 finale. So there's that. And I still don't give a rat's ass about any of this relationship crap until I see it on screen.
bongzilla: word!
Word too, bonzilla, and the same goes for alvar hanso and all the TLE and find815 stuff.
I'm not knocking the shippers or the geeks, though. The show is as much theirs as it is mine..
If Lyly's assessment is correct re 'him', I'd say it narrows the field somewhat. Her lawyer, perhaps?
Kate's with a Freighter.
For whatever reason, she's bought into whatever Mojo they're sellin'. And the Freighter has wooed her (falsely) because she's carrying (or carried) a baby conceived on the island. One of only two that are rescued (Sun is the other).
The question I have is, do Sun and Kate have a girl and a boy (respectively)?
If so ...
... Adam and Eve?
"him" has to be Hurley , he's the only one that has the means (being rich) to get her off.
He'll probably be alot different in the future , maybe and evil Hurley , with a mustache.
I'm pretty sure "Him" will be Arthur Stevens.
I'm pretty sure "him" will be Kevin Callis.
I vote for another snake in the mailbox - Christopher Walken.
With a show so well written and with so many interesting plots... I just do not get the obsession with the jack-kate-Sawyer triangle....who cares? really?whether Sawyer or jack get to do kate.....is not what the show is about...it is like making the civil war just about the color of the uniforms.....just my opinion!
Whooo Hoooo! Sinking Ships!
I think it means what we already know. Kate & Sawyer are split when she leaves the island. We already know she isn't with Jack in the future so a break from the great triangle is good news for me.
Now maybe we can find out something about the islands secrets. Instead of who will Kate kiss/bed or say "I love you" to next.
Wow, am I the only person who digs the mythology and possible theories behind the show more than who Kate ends up with? Is this show's core audience made up of 12 year olds? Maybe we could find these people a special place to fantasize about their favorite love triangle.
I don't give a crap about any of this stuff as it is, if this is what it's going to turn into then it will ruin the show. But that's just me. That being said, I don't think Kate will end up with either of them myself. I mean come on, the chick left the island and seemingly left Sawyer behind (although reasons why are yet to be discovered but either way, if it's true love you don't leave the person behind). And her and Jack in the future? HAH! Jack's messed up totally and Kate doesn't seem to care about that either.
she is not free from the law because of Aaron so I don't understand this.
Actually Eggtown was better for Jate than Skate if I do say so myself.
Seeing as Skate kind of had a falling out, Jate ended well apart from Jack.
Now if you people paid ATTENTION then you'd know WHY Jack wouldn't go with Kate, not because he didn't love her and if you noticed Kate WANTED him to follow her, but because of THE BABY.
duh.
WHICH..you know what?
Who cares.
Its an opinion AN OPINION.
Jate Skate Jacket PB&J their ALL THE SAME! It doesn't matter in the end.
AND JUST TO SET THE DAMN RECORD STRAIGHT...
Jate was suppose to happen, right from season 1 but once the writers SAW the oppertunity of a LOVE triangle they decided to hold it off.
THANK YOU!