There are several rumors about the plan and structure for Season 5 and one of the main rumors is about how the future or Flash forwards we are seeing (2007) will actually be present time with flash backs to the Island. The writers have also confirmed that perhaps a time will come that "flash" will no longer be required.
Since we are unable to confirm this yet, we are posting it here in the rumors section.
Thanks to Thomas for this tidbit:
A friend who works in the Closed Captioning industry in LA has told me this little tidbit.
At some point in the finale a scene jumps to the aircraft pilot as a flashback - from the present off island.
Based on this information, can we assume sometime in the near future (i.e. season 5) we will be in the 'present' in the real world off island, and then flashbacks will now flash to the "past" (which we now think of as the present) on island?
Kinda a mirror image of the past 3 season.
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HOAX : Future Will be Present Time in Season 5!?
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I don't think I'll like the show as much without flashes.
How can they flash back from the future if we have already seen everything before it?
This structure has been already tested anumber of times (future is present and present is past):
- We saw in S2 what happened to claire in S1 with the others
- In S2 we saw what happened with the tailies since the crash
- In S3 we saw what happened with Goodwin, Ethan, Juliette and even Locke on the island as flashbacks.
So jumping from future to present and from present to past, is not that news, and a normal flow. FF could be cancelled, but FB can always fit the any timeline.
Sorry for the spelling mistakes guys! English is not my native language
I think Season 5 will start with the present time both off-island and on-island, depending on perspective.
For example, the off-island parts start in 2007 after the Jack/Kate airport scene, as we will have already seen all the off-island Oceanic Six stuff from 2005-2007. However, remember that when the O6 leave the island, it's still 2005 at the end of the season, so the on-island segments are still the present time to those on the island.
Basically you could say that off-island = future and on-island = present, or off-island = present and on-island = past. Same difference. Like TPTB said, what is present depends on the perspective of the people in each location.
The episodes will likely cut back and forth between two locations, but these cuts won't be in the form of "flashes", and it's not really important what you consider to be present time, since each location is in the present time to the characters inhabiting those locations. Well... unless the island actually moves back in time to the 70s or something. There's always that possibility.
Are we sure that we saw all the off-island O6 stuff from 2005-2007? Not at all.So present could be running off and on-island at the same time (either 2005 or maybe even 2007)
It's Desperate Housewives that's flashing to the future in season 5, with the past being explained in flashbacks.
@marc-
The producers said that we will have bridged the gap between the present time and the Jack/Kate airport scene by the time we hit Season 5. The blanks have pretty much been filled in already. Jack doesn't really become a wreck until 2007, so they wouldn't subject us to week after week of him and Kate just chilling and being happy. Hurley has just been rotting away in the mental institute; nothing to tell there. And I'm sure the flashforwards in Part 2 of the finale will fill in Sun and Sayid's pre-2007 time.
Season 5 is about them figuring out how to get back, so Jack at least will have to have been convinced that they need to go back by the time S5 starts.
sounds true to me....
Damon and Carlton did mention that the term flash would be irrevelent....but still if they are to answer mysteries of the island....perhaps season 6 will be a tell all with flashbacks that are not even character centric....but island centric.....
I guess what I mean is:
Will the show now be viewed from 2004 on island with flashFORWARDS to 2007 off island.
OR
Will the show be viwed from 2007 off island with flashBACKS to 2004 ON island.
At some point the close in on each other and merge (end of season 5)
Kinda 2 side of the same coin.
Get it?
I'm guessing they skip two years of on-island action, and when we return in season 5 it's been 2 more years on the island as well. Lots will have happened, so the starting scene could be anything. Our Lostaways chilling with the Others, Dharma suddenly being back on the island, anything.
I get that because there is a time anomaly on the island, it's easy to become confused. I always thought that time passed along at the same rate on the island, and the time anomaly is only relevant when talking about which direction you choose to approach the island from. Look at Doc Ray. Even though he was dead in the past on the island, he was still alive in the present world. The events that lead to his killing had not happened in real-time when the Lostaways were communicating with the freighter, so time is passing by at the same rate. Only when you actually pass the magic barrier around the island are you taken back or forth into time.
The plane crashed in 2004, so no matter how you twist and turn it, when the real world has reached 2007, the same amount of time (3 years) will have passed for anyone who crashed on the island. However, someone who crashed could go back to the real world and then return to the island in the past. They will still have lived the 3 years, and have 3 years of aging, memory and experience.
So because of that I think they'll leave a gap in the island storyline, and then when we return, that gap is explored through character interaction. It'll be like resetting the show to start peeling off layers again. Jack and the rest of the O6 return to the island, they find that everything's changed and different in a way that we wouldn't expect, and throughout the season a plot forms while it is also explored what took place in the two year gap.
One other possibility I see is that on-island time continues from where we are now, flash-forward time continues from the end of the last scene of season 3, and when the O6 finally return to the island, they either willingly or by accident return to a time not long after they left.
And I just had a huge question. If I'm right and island time passes at the same rate as off-island time, what happens if a living person returns to the island but in the past? Wouldn't he indeed be able to change events?
After reading preach's post a got a huge headache!!! :)
im guessing that they will skip into the future and have the losties back on the island. Then they will have flashbacks on why the 06 need to get back to the island and showing flashbacks of what happened to the others who stayed on the island sawyer,jin. I cant see any other way they could do it unless darlton come up with a never crazy scheme. Grr evilness.
@peach
Nice one. I agree with your idea of a gap. Though I hope we´ll see lots of the things on island. Imagine - 2,5 years- a long time to build something up there.
That would change things up a bit. The only thing I worry about is them focusing on the O6 too much because out of all the characters(except Sayid), those are the ones I care about least even before I found out who the O6 were.
ok everyones confusing everyone else!
its the year 2008 right now, i think we can all agree on that. so to avoid confusing everybody, (i hope) in season 5 when lost resumes in jan 09, it will be 2009on the show as well, all present time scenes will take place during our (the viewers) present. On island and off, present time for us and them, thats easy enough right? just like season one exept when they "flash" it will fill in spaces between season 4 and 5. but i hope they dont rearange time in such a way that its just rediculously confusing.
then again, moving the island might screw time up all together for the island dwellers, THAT might be what there hinting at. and then we have a problem with sense making, and my head hurts.
I guess dharmabeer 2nd opinion could be valid. Moving the island in time could reach a new date to where we follow both places story simultaneously
IMO, when the show returns, it will be 2009 and Jack and co. will be trying to get back to the island. We will see FBs of what has been going on both on and off-island between 2004 and 2009 (which is now the present).
Present on island events becoming flashbacks and the off-island flashforwards becoming present events is a likely thing to be done. It also fits to Damon's comment: "The show ends not with a complicated finale in season 4, but you'll be asking 'How these guys can keep the show like this?' ". Maybe in season 5, we will see the Dharma past of the island and in season 6, that becomes the present events and the season-4-flashforward and season-5-present off the island becomes a flashback. This also makes a great tradition for Lost.
yah see gokhan, you just confused the hell out of me, they wouldnt do something like that because no one would know what the hell was going on! how can the present be a flashback and the future be present!? the present is the present and the past is the past! i can see the dharma thing, because i think the islands going to go back in time when they move it, so it would still be present for them, just only in 1975 or w.e, off island its present for them only in 2009. The present and the past are only as you can percieve it, yesterday i was in the present but today yesterday was the past!
you can remember what happened in your past, and you can be shown what happens in the future on lost, and if they try one more stupid plot twist like tommorows really today! and 5 minuites ago was really taking place in 1856, i will be pissed. IMO it would be a bold move for them to do NOTHING in the way of confusing time.
Well, dharmabeer, it's the job of producers and writers to help us to find our way in the fbs and ffs, and in the present. As you know, in season 3 finale, they just added Kate to a flashback of Jack and they wrote some dialogues that made us think they are off the island, and then we got the idea that we are in a "flashforward". It's about how they want us to see the events, and every people has an "inner speech" that helps you individually to fill in the blanks, I mean, to recognize that you're in a flashback or in a flashforward.
That would be amazing if every season, the present time of the previous season becomes flashback and the future events in the current season becomes present. I mean, it's totally mental thing, and I wouldn't be confused because I trust to the work of Darlton.
Believe me; watching the Oceanic-6-included-flashforwards as present time and the island events as flashbacks will be awesome! And the next season (season 6), the new Dharma becomes present and flashforwards become flashbacks. Yayyy! The most shocking and entertaining thing is to find out at the end of the episode that we've actually been watching a different time period than we didn't think of.
Island flashbacks will be awesome! Come on, who's not looking forward to a flashback to when Ben and John first went to Jacobs cabin together?
I totally need to hear that argument!
I think the music maestro should find someway to identify the type ie:(beforemove,aftermove,presentdayhere,
presentdaythere,way-back,old school) and year we are currently watching from, like he did with the whizzer and the kabooma.
Or we could have a little optional label in the corner of the screen for the kids and dumbos like me.?????
This is really the only scenario that works. The present on the show will be from the point of Jack and Ben's meeting at Hoffs Drawlar and moving forward. The "flashes" will be what goes on on the island from the point of the Oceanic Six's departure up until it meets the present...with everybody coming back to the island. Man, I am excited for the future of the show!! Jack's new obsession will be (WORKING WITH LINUS!!??!!!?? OMGWTF!!!) getting all of the gang back together and convincing them to go back to the island. Hurley, Sayid, Kate, Aaron, Jack, Sun, Ji Yeon, Locke's body, Walt (Who wasn't excited to see Walt??), Desmond, and Ben.
Hurley, Sayid, Kate, and Walt won't be simple but it can be done. Ben and Jack...Check and Check. Desmond and Sun? THat will be the tricky part. Desmond has said quite frankly that he NEVER wants to set foot on the island ever again. Penny must be a part of the journey if he does finally decide to go. Sun will be a tough sell. Not to go, but to go with Ji Yeon and with Jack. She seemed like she does have an interest of getting back as evidenced by the flash of her meeting with Charles Widmore.
There was no pilot scene in the finale, so the whole premise of this foiler post is debunked. Please mark as FALSE !