I've just got an email from one of my sources. Now this does not come direct from him himself and he cannot personally verify the truth of this spoiler except to say that this person does work on Lost. Now this person could well be spreading a foiler but I personally think there is an air of truth in this.
- The person in the Coffin is Michael
- He is responsible for only 6 getting off the Island
- He also gets off under an Alias but is not known as an O6
- This is why no-one went to the funeral. If it had been a member of the O6 there would have been a media frenzy
- Kate is angry at Michael because he is directly responsible for only six getting off the island
Source: Source via DarkUFO
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and here i was trusting tptb to go with something that is not so PAINFULLY OBVIOUS! man on boat, and man in coffin - both micheal? surely not?
i want this to be true only cos i dont care if he dies whereas i care about everyone else, but...micheal?....seriously?
Is this trying to say the reason Kate didn't visit the coffin was because it was in a colored neighborhood?
Is that what I'm reading?
I think that it is saying that the reason Kate didn't attend the funeral is because she didn't want to attract any media attention which might blow their cover.
Aw, man. I wanted it to be Ben.
@ surly
make that uber-PC
Thanks, Dark!
it sounds like the poster is claiming that perhaps MORE would have gotten off but because of Michael ONLY 6 get off.
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Could be. Maybe that's why Kate has a grudge against Michael ("Why would I go?")
She's pissed that Sawyer didn't get off, whereas Jack is just grateful that he did.
Hmmm, well I think it is Michael but i'll take this rumour with a pinch of salt.
I think some parts of this could be true, but others I don't really believe...
I've always thought it was Michael, but I don't think the shock is going to be so much who is in the coffin, but how they die.
My theory is that Hurley kills Michael. We know future Hurley isn't in a very good mental state, and he's certainly got motive. When Jack is upset about the death, it may not be so much because Michael is dead, but because he knew Hurley did it.
Makes perfect sense. But when it comes to Lost...the things that make perfect sense are most forgettable. I'm gonna hold onto a thread of hope that this will still be a wtf moment :)
^^ ...Or maybe Michael is finally able to commit suicide now that his work is complete?
I hope this isn't true because Michael is one of my favorite characters they already killed Ecko and Charlie my other favorite characters and now Michael I was really thinking that it was Ben in the coffin
Bah too obvious.
Make it somethin crazy like the polar bear is in the coffin!
.....i'm joking!... before anyone starts to kill me!
Kate cannot go because that might take the attention of the media, but Jack can? Jack is one of the O-6, so media is only interested in the person "who saved the lives of all the O-6"?
well, this could be true; yes not a surprise by any means. if they did not reveal that he was ben's men on the boat until after revealing who was in the coffin, that would have been better (people would be wondering how he ended up in the coffin and there will be a suspense as to how come hes on the boat, who is he working fo and how come he cant die). i am confused as to how he only got 6 people to leave -- did he (the island via him) pick them or there were only six spots left?
I think that it is saying that the reason Kate didn't attend the funeral is because she didn't want to attract any media attention which might blow their cover.
Nope, my source said it was actually because of what Michael did. inc. killing Libby and Ana-Lucia.
Hope that clears it up a little ;)
hope its truth, as i am a very true believer that, sadly, it has to be Ben in the coffin.
The other line is interesting too- "He is responsible for only 6 getting off the Island" Maybe it has to do something with the freighter? as, he finally blew it up so there is no room for many people on the boat or whatever they use to get out of the Island. Only a limited group can be placed there.
So much for redeeming him LOL.
If it's Micheal, then why would it be in California and not New York? And where is Walt and Micheals mother? etc.
"If it's Micheal, then why would it be in California and not New York? And where is Walt and Micheals mother? etc."
The coffin scene takes place a couple of years after they get off the island, right? A lot can happen in a couple of years...and Hurley's in California...just sayin'
Terry, I'm with you. I don't buy it. I think the Sawyer/Claire kissing rumor that's been labelled a hoax is more believable than this.
Michael came to die on the freighter. Why would he go back and then take up residence in LA, instead of going back to New York to be close to Walt.
This just strikes me as much like Aaron can't be an 06 because he wasn't on the manifest. I think it's an 06 in there. Jack came after the funeral was over, so the media would have left by then, and Jack also kind of caressed the coffin like he really cared about the person who was inside of it.
There's also the whole Michael/Walt relationship. Are they just going to end it like that?
The article that Jack is reading before he goes to the funeral says that the person who died committed suicide and that he was originally from New York
The producers have said over and over that Aaron IS part of the O6; i don't know why there is still any question about this.
Jack can go anywhere he pleases with that beard and those shades.
Being a black man on Lost is pretty rough... jeez.
chrimd said...
The article that Jack is reading before he goes to the funeral says that the person who died committed suicide and that he was originally from New York
shannon said...
The producers have said over and over that Aaron IS part of the O6; i don't know why there is still any question about this.
The producers also said that the paper article wasnt canon, just filler and that they will re-write if I remember it correctly.
Hmm well its great its not Ben, Locke and so on. But Michael in the coffin still doesnt suit me ;/ Why it cant be just vincent?
I don't buy ALL of this.
- The person in the Coffin is Michael
It very well could be. People have been saying this since we first saw it.
- He is responsible for only 6 getting off the Island
Again possible. Better to save some then nobody.
- He also gets off under an Alias but is not known as an O6
Kevin Johnson, wonderful, could be possible.
- This is why no-one went to the funeral. If it had been a member of the O6 there would have been a media frenzy
True. But, it appears the O6 have lost some luster.
- This is why Kate did not want to visit the coffin
I don't understand this.
She's mad at Michael for only getting the O6 off and not everybody else? A helicopter can only carry so many people.
It just seems as though she truly dislikes/hates the person in the coffin. So unless Michael got them off the island THEN stops them from going back to get the rest of the survivors I don't buy it.
I hope he doesnt why the hell would they kill him, IT WOULDNT MAKE SENSE TO JUST BRING HIM IN TO SAVE THEM THEN LET HIM DIE.
So no redemption for Michael? I don't think so.
I thought it was Michael all along, so I'll believe it.
Michael definetly makes the least amount of sense for one major reason and that is Michael goes back to the island to die. He could not die when he got off the island so why would he die this time. Makes no sense to be Michael or any of the O6 because the Island wont let them die. My guess is that it is Ben faking his death and Jack believes that he died and all chances of returning to the island went with him. Soon after Jack will try to kill himself again only to find that he can not, because the Island wont let him and he realizes Ben is not dead, just the identity Ben was using, John Latham.
Cid,this is a point that I have been making for sometime now about Ben in the coffin.He is the only one that makes sense in terms of Jack and Kate's reaction.It would be a great WTF moment on Lost,but the Michael reveal is the safest bet.IT IS TOO SAFE!It's predictable........To have Ben be a clone or living in two time eras would be more interesting than Michael in the coffin.I really hope that this is a foiler,cause they wanted to put Locke(which is shocking) in the coffin originally BUT Michael sounds like the boring safe choice.
I may be wrong, but when Kate makes the "why would I go" comment, it didn't look so much like hatred, as like she didn't recognize who it was that had died...I'm with a lot of you though, it would just be too obvious if it was Michael
I allways thought it´s michael in the coffin and I believe this to be true.
If he´s responsable for that only 6 got off the island when more could have been saved, the raction of the O6 is very understandable. I don´t think that Jack is going there because he cares for Michael. It´s because Michael was the only person of whom he knew to make it back to the island.
The island is done with Michael, so it lets him die or to commit suicide.
Remember, in one of the last promos Michael tries to stop Lapidus to bring Keamy back to the island. Maybe he destroys the heli and thats why only a few can make it to the freighter on that raft.
He´s doing it in good intention, but with bad result.
The least exciting candidate was Michael. Meh...
I find this eminently believable. It certainly ties a few idea together - Michael does the island's bidding and as his reward, he's allowed to do what we saw him attempting in MKJ... to end his life.
fake
Still keeping fingers crossed for Ben but lets face it most likely Michael - given that there was no picture and it appears no one knew Ben got off the island.
Again, It makes no sense for it to be Michael. If the Island is "done" with him and Michael can commit suicide, then why would he wait 2 years? Once he gets off the Island and could kill himself, then blam! he would do it as quickly as possible, not wait 2 years and then do it. If anything Michael will get back on the Island and die there.
At this point, No one on the beach even knows that Michael is on the boat anyways, so unless they run into him pretty soon here, then I do not think Jack would be the only one to go to his funeral and cry and etc etc.
A few times the obvious happens on Lost, but normally it doesn't.
I want this to be a foiler.
I don't want Michael to die. I'd rather have him stuck on the island forever.
I like Michael.
I also believe that Michael will play an important role down the road, whether it has to do with him directly or has to do with Walt, Michael still has a lot of meaning on the show. After all, no other Oceanic survivor knows that they can not die unless the Island says so.
I hope this is true.
The only way I'll be happy with this is if Walt kills him.
Hoax. It's Ben.
Possible reason for Michael to be in L.A.:
1) The character of Michael's mother was named Noreen during casting. It was later changed to simply "Mom." ( http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Michael's_mother )
2) Kate told Jack she was speaking to a woman named Noreen on the phone.
Michael's mother would have to leave NYC to effecively hide Walt's identity. She may have received a settlement from Oceanic for the deaths of her son and grandson, and used that money to move to L.A. If Michael made it back to the US again, he may have been living in L.A. under an assumed name to be close to Walt. Either Walt or his grandmother may have made contact with the O6 after their publicized homecoming.
The producers were unhappy with the newspaper clipping, probably because it gave away too many facts that pointed to Michael as the deceased, and because it was possible for much of it to be deciphered via screencaps.
so this is where everyone went!
way back when we were disecting the article about the "man found dead by his teenage son" i knew it was michael.
and it makes sense about his alias, and how he still felt the guilt of his actions and the island was done with him so it let him kill himself.
it has to be pretty bad if walt doesn't even attend the funeral.
you gotta think too, the majority of the fans will be surprised, its only ruined for us hardcore obsessed crazies.
@tla: I'm gonna hold onto a thread of hope that this will still be a wtf moment
Agreed. Unfortunately, when I read it, my reaction was, "Dude, we knew that, like, forever ago."
It also makes perfect sense that no one forgives Michael for shooting AL and Libby in cold blood. I certainly wouldn't want to go to his funeral. At least he gets to off himself now that the Island has used him up and tosses him out like yesterday's trash. The Island is not a forgiving entity. It is as neutral as nature.
BTW, love the new icon. :)
@Tamed Cat: Why it cant be just vincent?
Don't even THINK that! Vincent is the best character on the show. He's the most normal and well-adjusted of them all.
jack's in the coffin
@redickulous
i have been saying that forever!!!!!
To me, the reason Kate doesn't want to visit the coffin is because of who Michael killed and that because of something he did, only 6 get off the island....NOT Sawyer. She probably blames him for Sawyer still being on the island.
The thing about the media frenzy...it means if someone from the O6 was in the coffin, there would have been a media frenzy.
i have to say that i am totally on board with the idea that if it was one of the oceanic 6 there would be a big media frenzy.....like when nadia died and Sayid was on tv.....and the creators did say that it was someone we have met already.....could be michael,ben,desmond,walt,penny,maybe widmore....i dont know....:)
I've never really been a HUGE believer in Michael being in the coffin, but now after reading that - I REALLY think it is Michael in there for one major reason. I would assume that Ben, for the majority of the time, stays in hiding or somewhere on the island. It's completely plausable that Jack saw Michael's obit in the paper and viewed Michael as one of the only people who could tell him how to get back to the island, seeing how Michael has traveled by boat twice to and from the island. I dunno, kinda makes sense to me.
I dont mind it being obvious because Michael in the coffin makes sense. Maybe he’s finally able to kill himself, Jack feels bad about it because he is now (TTLG) in the same mental state that Michael was and Kate dont want to go to the funeral since she cant forgive Michael for for killing Ana and Libby, betraying Hurley, Kate, Sawyer and Jack and then being responsible for leaving Sawyer and all the others behind on the island.
So... I dont mind if Michael is in that coffin, but it would be nice to get the real answer through a Walt flash so we understand that he, in some ways, finally forgave his father.
emyebo said...
So no redemption for Michael? I don't think so.
Not everyone on this world get a happy ending;)
Maybe thats why I would love it to really be Michael in that coffin..; Lost is not a fairy tale and if everyone will get a "... and then they lived happily ever after"-end it would just be... stupid.
Michael had a pretty good life before he came to the island but in the end he screwed everything up. Instead of focusing on getting to know his so and be satisfied with that he made one mistake after another and maybe thats why he wont get to redeem himself like the others. The island gave him his chance but he blew it!
Thank god Michael is dead! Hate that guy and even his comeback epi was pretty lame. Hope this one is true.
Well if Michael's in the coffin...then he must die sometime around 2006-2007.
Therefore in terms of present time (ie DEC 2004) he's still got plenty of time left for all sorts of shenanigans!!!
i really hoped it wasn't michael. it just seems so obvious. plus i love the actor. like others he'e been painfully under used. such a shame. i was kinda hoping it would be locke. although i do like locke and the actor it would have been a better twist i fell. less expected.
found this somewhere:
"The body of John Lantham of New York was found shortly after 4 am in the 4300 block of Grand Avenue.
Ted Worden, a doorman at the Tower Lofts complex, heard loud noises coming from the victim's loft.
Concerned for tenants' safety, he entered the loft and found the body hanging from a beam in the living room.
According to Jaime Ortiz, a police spokesman, the incident was deemed a suicide after medical tests. Latham (sic) is survived by one teenaged son.
Memorial services will be held at the Hoffs-Drawlar Funeral Home tomorrow evening."
so i think it is Michael in the coffin.
i believe this, it's definitely michael and definitely not ben. i don't think that jack has any idea that ben has left the island. if he knew that, instead of flying over the pacific every weekend hoping to crash on the island he would have been looking for ben.
also, the producers never said that the obit wasn't canon and was just filler, i know people keep saying that but go and listen to the podcasts and read any interviews they've done. i've yet to find where this was said, it seems more like a rumor that was started. everything in the obit points to it being michael. the man was from new york. he was survived by a teenage son. even the name used points to it being an alias for michael. john latham was an african artist, if you remember, while michael did construction work for a living, he was actually an artist and that was what he really wanted to be. i don't think that's coincidence.
I've thought it was Michael FOREVER!!! But now, it's becoming almost too obvious that it's Michael...so now I'm starting to doubt...Soooo if not Michael, who???
yes, it was predictable... but who cares? not EVERYTHING on the show can be a huge mystery... especially with the show nearing an end.. some things are going to be easy to figure out when you piece together the parts of the puzzle...
i would MUCH rather it be Michael than Ben or Locke!
I don't believe this for two reasons:
- That this is the kind of rumor anyone (whose well read up on the subject) could guestimate.
- Black neighborhood=black man? Too obvious for LOST.
I still think it could be Ben - who was killed after being unable to go through with killing Penny.
What's with the negative backlash? "predictable", you say? Surely everyone who makes sense has already been guessed.
Would you rather it be someone that makes sense, but you'd already guessed - like Michael?
Or someone who makes absolutely no sense but that you hadn't guessed - like Yemi?
I agree, it's definately not Ben. Ben is incognito back in the real world. If he died, it would go largely unnoticed by everyone except Widmore and Sayid. There certainly wouldn't be an obit. with wake information for some funeral parlor in a run-down part of L.A.
As far as we know, Jack and Kate are unaware of Ben being off the island.
"Or maybe Michael is finally able to commit suicide now that his work is complete?"
I'm still leaning toward it NOT being a suicide. I think whoever (even if it is Michael) is killed and it is a setup to make it look like a suicide.
I agree, I believe it's Michael int he coffin. and I believe its tied directly to Claire. Season 5 is about the 6 coming back to the island. but in order for that to happen, they need a strong reason to go back - Based on last week's epi, we know that Jack finds out that Claire is his sister. Everyone will believe she is dead, even though the island will continue to keep her safe. Jack will be torn and this guilt of her death is part of his strong desire to go back.
I think Michael tells Jack about how the island won't let him die, until he has completed his task. Which he will have done by rescuing the 6. I believe Michael will take his life (or someone will) and its his death that Jack begins to understand the power of the island. its this reconciliation of science and faith that jack struggles with which turns him into bearded jack on a ledge. It will be Jack that brings the 6 including BEN back to the island.
"According" to http://spoilerfix.com/lost.php, it appears to be some kind of military plane...
Walt and Michael's mother would be at the funeral if it was Michael.
Even if Michael is living under an alias, he would reveal himself to his mother as shown when he left the island the first time.
Not saying I wouldn't like it to be Mike in the coffin. He is the least interesting of the cast but I think it is unlikely.
could it by sayid? as far as keeping to 'responsible for getting only 6 off the island' ... we see sayid driving the teeny boat to the island from the freighter; is he the one responsible for getting them off the island? it was supposed to be the first trip to return the losties ... sayid can't get back to the island to save more as locke moves the island under christians/jacobs orders.
ok, if it IS michael in the coffin ... he would be under an alias as he survived the crash/got off the island without being part of the oceanic 6 ... his mother and son walt didn't want anything to do with him so why would they go to the funeral? if michael is under an alias, his mother and son walt wouldn't know that he died (well, maybe walt would know telepathically, and he wouldn't come out of hiding to go to the funeral cause then he might have to answer as to why he was there).
since michael completed his mission as a spy on the boat, he would be able to finally end his life ... jack finds this out and realizes they won't die until they finish their (the oceanic 6) mission of rescuing the remaining losties on the island ... just another 2 cents from me ;-)
If it is Michael , I will be very upset by this! I never complain about Lost plots and what-not, but this would be a first for me! A super jaw dropping moment would be wasted!
jennifer, forget the alias name for Michael and all that stuff, the main reason it would not be Michael is because Michael would kill himself immediately when he could, not wait 2 or so years to do it. If it were Michael then he would of been dead a long time ago.
Besides, the newspaper article said he is survived by a teenage son, so the papers must know Walt existed.
Cid - first paragraph, yes, i totally agree, he would do it as soon as possible... but then paragraph #2 wouldn't make sense; then it's not michael in the coffin '...papers must know walt existed.'
do we know of any characters with a teenage son?
There are not too many options for someone with a teenage son, but if Ben is using one of his many fake names, then the name Ben is using may have had a teenage son. I do not think it is anyone who has been on the Island because they can not die off the Island. That is why Ben could not kill Widmore and vice versa, Jack couldnt commit suicide, nor could Michael. I think it is someone who was important to someone, like a family member. Just as Sayid is killing for Ben, Widmore has people killing people from the Islands loved ones. That is why Nadia was killed and Sayid is working to protect his friends. I think it is Ben but he is not really dead.
Cid - niiiceee... and why would anyone go to HIS funeral - it's all a rouse; i concur that if it is ben in the coffin, he's not really dead - UNLESS he did all he was destined to do and widmore got him/got his island back.... all we can do is wait and see!
I call BS / Foiler.
The funeral director asked Jack if he was "friend or FAMILY?"
Last time I checked, Michael was black, and Jack was white.
Why would the funeral director ask if Jack was family?
Perhaps it's just a stupid line, but with a scene this important, in the finale no less, I would think the writers would pour over the wording in this scene a little more closely. Especially if they were planning for the person to be Michael.
IMO, the person in the coffin is white.
@coffeedesign - Because, you know, nobody who is black could ever be family with somebody who is white. You know, like Rose and Bernard.
I don't think it's Desmond. Pretty sure they would try to hide who is actually in it during production. My guess is, because Desmond was on the boat and knew what Michael did while on it, that he would at least show up. Kate probably didn't go because of what Michael did to them while on the island.
The Mrs: my thought exactly LOL
From what we have also seen is that Widmore is using different names as well. So perhaps it could be Charles, that would explain Desmond going there. Jack's reaction could be from a meeting we have not seen yet between Widmore and the O6.
My point is, Ben uses different names and Widmore does the same thing.
I'm going against all of you people. I'm going out on a limb and it occurred to me that the person in the coffin is either Abbadon or Frank Lapidus.
I originally thought that Michael was in the coffin but after contemplating it. It can't be. Why would Walt or Michael's mom not go to the wake to pay their last respects? Why would none of the Oceanic 6 besides Jack visit Michael? I don't care how upset Kate was with Michael, they all went through a traumatic life changing experience together on the island. I'm sure they would set aside their differences to bury one of their own. Besides Michael only originally killed to get his son back. A parent would do practically anything for their child in danger.
It has to be somebody that Jack felt held crucial info to get back to the island or something. Abbadon has something important we haven't seen yet relating to the island. Who knows if he has a son or not. Black neighborhood. I can see him as the type of person that wouldn't have anybody go visit him. Same could be said for Frank and he was the pilot with the bearings to get to the island.
So that's my pick and I'm holding out hope I'm right. Either Abbadon or Frank are in the coffin.
rockhopper - hmmm, you got me thinking more about this - now i'm leaning towards faraday, the scientist guy - hmmmmmm.... can't wait!
its not a newcommer of season 4......after last years finale the powers that be (DL and CC) said the person in the coffin was someone we've seen before......and it wouldn't surprise me if it isn't michael cuz its starting to make it too obvious.....its not micheal....within the warning for Lostfan108's spoiler for this year....Dark said the coffin person was a shocker for him.....so with that said IT AIN"T MICHAEL!
I wouldn't be surprised if its Locke or hell even BEN!
so its not Michael. pity...
i'm getting nervous.
so it isnt micheal then?? i am getting worried about my sawyer and des and daniel!!!!
OMG..pls let it be a fake death! I care too much about all the other possibilities!!
I'm becoming more convinced it's Ben, Locke or Juliet and I lean more toward Locke or Ben. The reasoning is it would have to be someone with absolutely no family left and that lived in almost seclusion with the world all but hating them. which fits those two best. Juliet almost fits except for her sister and niece. Though we don't know what has become of her sister. Maybe the cancer returned.
i dont understand...we saw who was in the coffin...it was Locke....nd why wud Kate be mad at Micheal?..yes im not saying that he has not done some bad things in the past to Kate and everyone else..but it is because of him that the o6 actually got off the island in the first place...if you will, in my book Micheal is a heroe..and should really look upto him, she is not even the type that wud hold grudges, and in anycase IT WAS A HELICOPTER!!!hello!!...how many passengers can actually fit in one of them..without any petrol.......!.. well its just a thought.....