Received the following just now from someone I know who got this info from a colleague of his. His friend claims he was speaking to one of the people involved in the Lost writing process. Sounds a but far-fetched and a bit too similar to the fake crash TV Report a while ago, but then again no one believed the spoilers about the Season 2 Premiere with a man called Desmond being in the Hatch :)
Season 4 will begin with air traffic control speaking to the pilot of a plane that is in trouble. It will show both the plane and air traffic control in various shots. This is all done in a way that will make us believe it's NOT the Oceanic flight that Jack, Locke etc were on. Except it is. We'll see the plane crashing into the sea. We'll see the dead bodies of people we know. Then the "Lost" logo will come out of the screen.
Source: Bullman via DarkUFO
HOAX : The Season 4 Premiere Opening
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Wow. It would be cool if it was true but I don't see how they could explain themselves out of that one...
Yeah, if that's the case then it would HAVE to be the alternate reality/universe theory coming into play. They'd definitely have some 'splainin' to do....
F'n crazy.
I still think it'll open similar to season 2, only from inside the freighter with someone getting a signal from the Island.
This beginning for season 4 would be awesome, but... If everybody on the plane was dead, then how come the doctor that FF rockbottom Jack saw at the hospital he used to work before the crash didn't seem surprised to see him alive? :/
Chris, when I was first thinking about the opening for Season 4, I like you, thought of the Freighter.
However, when you think about it, we will be expecting it to be the Freighter since this was the last on Island scene that we saw. I think Lost's openings have been pretty creative to date, and I think think of a good scenario involving the Frieghter that will make you go "Wow" or "Woah" or WTF... I'm not saying that the above post is true, far from it, as I actually think it's fake but I't would certainly have that "W..." factor :)
Both S2 and S3 began with a stranger playing some music that turned out to be relevant to their character (Make Your Own Kind of Music, for Desmond, the brooding loner, and Downtown, for Juliet, who desperately wants to go home). Then there's a bunch of mundane activity that gets everyone wondering if they're watching the right show. Then a sudden, catastrophic event that jolts us into the story(explosion of the hatch door, rumbling earthquake that brought everyone outside to see flight 815 break apart). The scene introduced a unifying theme for the season (the hatch, the others). Then the actual story starts...
If the people on Not-Penny's-Boat are being introduced and the writers keep following this pattern, then it would make sense that the "stranger" would be one of the boat's crew. The title of the music played should be revealing. Next, we need a catastrophic event. Since S3 made it "legal" for the opening scene to be a flashback, the scene on the boat need not be happening right at the point where the S3 finale ended.
As a catastrophic event, we might be in a flashback to the time when the failsafe key was turned and the sky turned purple, but out at sea, some distance from the island. The effect is still felt violently. This would mean the boat people were searching the area before then, but since they're not Penny's people, this isn't impossible.
One Important Counterpoint:
The whole "reason" why they're lost is supposed to be because the plane LOST RADIO CONTACT, and so no one knows where to look.
PILOT: Six hours in, our radio went out. No one could see us. We turned back to land in Fiji. By the time we hit turbulence, we were a thousand miles off course. They're looking for us in the wrong place.
Was he lying? Maybe. but he was also a man who might be dying.
But the freighter was never said to be looking for flight 815; they were looking for Desmond.
Does that mean they brought Greg Grunberg back for the season premiere?!
Wesb, well said. This would be far too predictable an opening for Lost. Personally, I anticipate a flashback where we find out Vincent was part of Mike Vick's Bad Newz Kennels, and is actually the smoke monster, but whatever.
Actually, how great would a DHARMA, Jacob, or "oops we accidentally created a smoke monster, Danielle!" Montain opening be???
And while we're on the topic - why not a flashforward? Perhaps we see the person in the coffin die? (I still say it's freaking Jacob.)
Uh, how about this... (I know this is pure speculation, but it's fun). What if the opening is a bunch of people talking about what we think is a TV show or something. Then we see Cindy. Then we realize it's the "watchers" describing action on the island. That would creep me out. The song could even be Rockwell's "Somebody's Watching Me." ...remember that video? Priceless.
does anybody remember what naomi said? she said that they found the plane and that they all died! she could have been lying but you never know!
Hold on for a second. The episode has multi FB's so this rumor sounds ok to me.
In the other hand I don't think it's possible to get Greg Grunberg in cause he's stuck in a contract with NBC's Heroes now... Or?
This opening sounds awsome and realistic. Might be the reason why it's a multi FB episode. Episode 2 seems to be titled 324 confirmed dead, hmm.. does that say us anything?
hahahaha, Rockwell on Lost would be too awesome to fathom...
You can't rule out the obvious opener of a freighter scene because s1 ended outside the hatch and s2 picked up with a desmond flashback moments before the s1 finale ended, that was pretty predictable.
personally i'm hoping for an opener like this:
It starts in a nice house, a woman is doing her daily ritual breakfast/reading newspaper/etc (careful not to show her face)then she goes into her home office to get some work done. shortly after sitting at her desk she notices a transmission coming through to her computer, it's charlie. then we see the picture of desmond & penelope and realize we're picking up where s3 left off.
a freighter opener would be plenty predictable but I think there is a better reason why it won't happen. It'll be hard to have a freighter scene (pre-phone call) that can last 2-3min without giving too much info on the boat people and still be intriguing enough to satisfy fans
Kokowawa makes some good points...
this is a multi-FB episode which would tie well to the passenger "deaths" on Flight 815. And it would also fit very well with the title of Episode 2 "324 Confirmed Dead".
Pretty chilling if this is it!
wow that would be amazing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think the key to the pilot's narrative of events is what happened "six hours in". There was an event that may not have been Desmond resetting the Swan computer.
I'm leaning strongly toward the notion that 815 hit a timespace anomaly and a separate instance of the plane and it's occupants was created. One plane crashed into the sea and everyone -- or almost everyone -- died. The other instance of the plane and people broke up over LOST island with some 50 or so survivors.
It's the effect that is shown in the Orchid video.
But some survivors WERE pulled from the sea and rescued.
So the LOSTies cannot leave the island because some of their dupicates exist already.
Lets put two and two together:
1) The orchid station video shows a bunny with a number 8 being held by Marvin Candle. Then, all the sudden another bunny with a number 8 appears.
2) Naomi says that Flight 815 was found on the ocean floor with no survivors, yet there are survivors on the island.
I think it's obvious that our Losties are 'copies' or something from maybe a few seconds before they crashed.
Yes/No?
Sounds likely, bfraely! The most plausible theory so far.
I like bfraley's scenario. Sounds very plausable. They did show us that Orchid video for a reason, it has to be setting the stage for some revealation in Season 4.
As far as an opening scene: I believe the plane crash will be involved from an alternate point of view just as last seasons was.
This scenario with the control tower losing contact, flight crashing into ocean seems very possible.
Especially since they wouldn't even attempt to explain it right away. Come back from commercials and go right into the storyline where S3 left off.
This would be absolutely mind-blowing! This would be on par with the introduction of flash-forwards in the third season finale. And if they did bring back that actor from season 1 who played that pilot who got ripped up by Smokey, even better to close the question of - well maybe it wasn't *really* their plane etc etc. If it's going to be 851, make it truly 851. Maybe also some footage of the familiar stewards. I mean, make this black and white, because the story can afford to - the fact that this would happen opens so many mysteries on its own :-) Otherwise, I predict us enthusiasts will be endlessly looping on the question of whether it was *really* the plane or not ...
bfraley, you summed up my thinking very nicely. Thanks.
I just went a bit further and speculated that there were some survivors of the alternate 815, namely at least Kate and Jack.
I can't get over the image that Island Jack, after rescue, is standing at the coffin of his duplicate, Alternate Jack.
Somehow they became aware of each other and the alternate died (murdered or suicide). Island Jack then took his place in his own interrupted life.
What happened to Alternate Kate is unknown.
Does this seem plausible to anyone?
Mmm, I think that's pure speculation at this point. Naomi said everyone died, so I think that's more likely. Although it would be nifty if it were Jack were in the coffin :)
I think the duplicate scenario is the most likely at this point given the current information. How does that all play out? Not sure yet, but I think wormholes come into play (a "casamir effect" is theorized to cause wormholes). i think the plane traveled thru a wormhole to the beach, allowing the people to survive. These people were maybe a second or two "out of phase" from normal time, and thus "duplicated". So there really only is one plane, i just exists in two different times. (ie, one plane from now and one plane from a second ago)
There could not possibly be a better introduction to the latter half of LOST than what is described here.
If the first half of LOST was about establishing characters and the setting of the Island, the second half will surely be about unraveling these mysteries and showing how they all fit into the big picture.
Two major turning points in the series were reached in season 3. The first was when Desmond had his time travel experience, and the second was when Naomi told Hurley that all the survivors of Flight 815 are dead. These two events firmly established that some sort of bending of the space-time continuum is at the center of the mystery of LOST.
Now that the show has crossed the halfway point-- further evidence by the shift of focus from past and present to present and future-- it becomes essential to expand the mythology beyond the familiar Island itself and into the larger world. What better way to do that than to show the bodies of our beloved castaways surfacing after a deadly plane crash!?
What better way to do that than to show the bodies of our beloved castaways surfacing after a deadly plane crash!?
Man, that's a creepy mental image. It'd be pants-crappingly shocking for an episode of LOST to begin with floating bodies of Locke, Hurley, Kate, Sawyer, Charlie and the others.
I agree with "rodimus" ben lundy. We HAVE already seen two instances where we must question the space-time continuum. And those instances are minor compared to this. Time-bending on a grand scale MUST be at the heart of Lost.
Wasn't there a rumor early on that the person in the coffin would be revealed early in S4? It would be totally freaky if island Jack saw himself in the coffin!
We can't forget that Cooper said he died too and then he appeared at the island.
So, Naomi said that they were all dead - and that they were looking for Desmond (she remembered the news about Charlie and the plane - said that the not all the bodies were found). Cooper believed he died but he is in the Island somehow.
Clones?
I'm really enjoying this discussion...
I would love to have this as an opening, however, I don't necessarily want it to be the case now, because I know...
i think this rumor is pretty intense, but what has been bugging me ever since the s3 finale after watching it multiple times and not hearing any news on if naomi is dead or not after locke threw the knife at her, is what exactly was naomi's relevance if she was killed off so early, she seems so pointless to me if her storyline is over.
Are you all serious? How do you think they'll explain this in the show? If this were a sci-fi novel, maybe, but all the speculation is just ridiculous.
There is no way this is what's going to happen. The plane crash was staged. It was shown to the media to be real. Naomi said it was all over the news that they sent robots down and saw the plane. That could easily be faked, and just as easily be explained. Duplicate people is not so easy to explain.
If you want to use the Orchid video as an explanation of anything, use it as the power to fake something super crazy. The second bunny could've been a trick.
I seriously doubt Jack was attending Jack's funeral.
Get a grip, people. I'm going to go by Lukhs' rule of something could not happen if it was way too ridiculous for even John Locke to believe.
A reasonable start to the season would be Air traffic control talking to what they believe to be is a plane on the other end, but it is actually somebody who we'll see later on the freighter or something faking a call to air traffic control from the plane.
"People believed they are dead" is a whole lot easier to explain then "yeah, they were all cloned in some crazy wormhole effect and actually died in a parallel universe that happens to exist in the same universe as them all being alive."
You're absolutely right, Hipster.
Although I am a big fan of sci-fi, and Donnie Darko is my favourite film, I would hate if there were multiple universes/time travel in Lost. I would only accept scientific explanations.
Get a grip, people. I'm going to go by Lukhs' rule of something could not happen if it was way too ridiculous...
Jesus fucking Christ, relax. We're just kicking around wild ideas. I really detest the impulse in paragons of logic shouting down those who pop up with ideas that may or may not be possible. Luhks, funny you mention him, came up with 50 or so notions in his little self-indulgent thread over in the forum, many of which were totally stretches of possibility. We all do it. Don't pretend that you're any better, have any sharper sense of the show, than others.
For what it's worth, hipster, I called the flash forward here on DarkUFO back in February. So maybe some crazy ideas are closer to the logic of the show than the crowd of clowns squealing about the nicks and cuts of Occam's fucking razor.
And, for the record, I never wrote cloned. Your faux quote above shows the level of disingenuity to which you stoop to artificially elevate your opinions.
Keep in mind that this show IS science fiction. While it is Disney, some level of viewer sophistication is demanded by the writers. It's that sophistication that will ensure that LOST dvds sell well beyond 2010, as many answers are already imbedded. There won't be a Grand Reveal of All Mysteries at the show's end. Those expecting that are in for a huge letdown. It won't be an Agatha Christie explanatory ending. That much I will guarantee you.
Although I am a big fan of sci-fi, and Donnie Darko is my favourite film, I would hate if there were multiple universes/time travel in Lost. I would only accept scientific explanations.
Donnie Darko is also in my top 5 of all time as well :)
I think you may be disappointed xmax as I see no way they can explain A Smoke Monster that can can the form of humans along with an invisible man (Jacob) scientifically ;)
bongzilla- I wasn't just responding to you. I was responding to the collective response of this rumor that it would be the greatest thing ever; that it is the only logical opening for next season, which is insane. If this turns out to be the opening for next season, I'll be very disappointed. I'm not saying everything has to be explained by science; I threw that out the window when invisible Jacob started fighting with Ben.
We know from spoilers that a fair number of our Losties get off the island, and if they get off the island into a world where their actual bodies were discovered in an actual plane crash, and not some elaborate hoax, the universe might as well implode, because that is insane.
I didn't mean to be critical of your wormhole theory or suggest that two Jacks existing in the same universe and not being clones would be any more ludicrous than them being clones, but if I insulted you than I apologize.
My faux-quote was just a quoted summary of what I thought of the insane theories that make far less sense than it all being a hoax. I am not trying to suggest that the whole show be deduced using "occams fucking razor" (was that quoted correctly?), because if that were the case than the ONLY explanation for the show would be that its all a dream, but I am trying to suggest that if something seems way TOO ridiculous, then it probably is.
I never thought flash-forwards would be ridiculous, and if I read your prediction back in February, then I probably wouldn't have told you it could never happen. The writers know the timeline of the story, and it makes sense that they could flash forward in the timeline just as easily as they could flash back. Its not as big a stretch of logic or sense as saying that there actually was two plane crashes and that somehow two Oceanic flight 815s took off and crashed in completely different directions from Sydney, because that is crazier than saying that one of the crashes was a hoax.
The wormhole theory is not that hard to believe. Look up the wikipedia article if you want more details, but a simpler explanation lies in the movie "Back to the Future." If you remember, towards the end of the first movie, Marty travels back to 10 minutes before he first traveled backwards to 1965 in order to save Doc. In that scene, we see both future Marty and present Marty at the same time! The same theory applies to Oceanic 815. The wormhole opens when Desmond fails to push the button. The plane enters. Desmond pushes the button, the plane exits out of the wormhole somewhere near the beach, but also travels into the past. Thus, one plane, but from two different times.
It's not some alternate reality, just a reuse of an great movie :)
I think it is just fun to go wild since we have lots of time to kill...
I like it all...
I don't like being constrained in the facts and reality if we know any...
I love speculations :)
Another point about Jack/Kate surviving the first 815 set; Kate said she saw the "hole thing". Jack said he blanked out, but he was in the middle of the jungle, far from everybody else...
Well, at least two Kates would solve the problem of the bloody triangle :P
What sounds strange about this rumour is that Jorge Garcia mentioned something realy shocking at the end of episode 7.
Can anything be more shocking than this?
I agree with Hipster, some people are thinking a little too hard about this.
Remember, I believe TPTB said that the explanation will be simple enough for the layman to understand. Alternate universes and Jack attending his own funeral are way over the top.
Time travel is simple enough to understand, but when you bring in multiple versions of people...you start to get out there.
And yes, Donnie Darko is one of my favorite films, but most people upon viewing it the first time have no f'n idea what happened at the end without another explanation. I don't think people want LOST to do that.
I'm having a hard time seeing how some of you can believe that it's NOT about time travel/parallel universes.
I hate to say it, but a faked plane crash would be the lamest cop-out of an explanation for Naomi's statement. Lost is about much bigger things than that.
Furthermore, about expecting it to be based on "science," it has always been said that the explanations will come from science or pseudo-science (largely speculative realms of science). Well, time travel, parallel universes and black holes all fit into that broad spectrum.
Totally agree Rodimus! When they start jumping around in the timeline, you KNOW they're setting us up for some kind of merging of the two spots. Future Jack will meet Island Jack, Future Kate will meet Island Kate, etc etc etc... Is this really too complicated? Hate to use it again, but this is totally what "Back to the Future" was about, I don't think people had a lot of problems understanding... I was a little kid when i first saw that, I dont think i had a problem with it... c'mon!
I would have to agree that if they simply said it was a faked plane crash and did nothing to justify it, it would be lame. If the crash were faked because of a much larger story happening, that included kidnapping a flight of people that ended in an accidental crash, it could become very interesting.
Think of how many people on flight 815 were _given_ tickets by someone else. Claire was even told she couldn't take any other flight...
Alternate universes and Jack attending his own funeral are way over the top.
Time travel is simple enough to understand, but when you bring in multiple versions of people...you start to get out there.
And yes, Donnie Darko is one of my favorite films, but most people upon viewing it the first time have no f'n idea what happened at the end without another explanation. I don't think people want LOST to do that
That's a valid opinion. As I said, I think the main pattern of LOST, as bfraley astutely notes, is about the IQ level of mega-hit Back to the Future.
How is Jack attending his own funeral any weirder than J.R. waking up to an entire season of Dallas as an extended dream sequence? That was America's #1 hit show for many years -- and it was a little tee-hee mindfuck for it's fansm who LOVED it.
As for Donnie Darko, sure, lots of people didn't get it on first viewing. Hell, MOST people, including me, a sci fi writer, didn't fully follow it (although I kept muttering "Edith Keeler Must Die", I swear, throughout). But I'd bet a plurality of viewers watched Donnie Darko again and again, went to websites and conversed with other fans, and made DD one of their favorite movies. LOST has siezed on this pattern of intellectually sophisticated fan behavior -- AND FUCKING BRAVO FOR THEM.
Like I said above. The answer at the end of the show will have a simple narrative close but will not answer all the myriad questions. The answers are IMBEDDED in the show. We Internet fans of great fan sites like this one (the best, imo) know this already. How long does it take the legions of brains to crack anagrams, transcribe Whispers and cull screencaps?
The end of the show will have a concise ending. The full answers will NOT be laid out like spoons. No way. We'll be scrambling for weeks after S6 ends to piece all the jigsaw pieces together. How anybody can not see this is beyond me.
Hell, people are still analyzing Mullholland Drive, The Seventh Seal and Open Your Eyes.
Art does that.
In the other hand, this is a great chance for the writers fix little more by confirming for an example:
-Showing us Nikki and Paulo, yes they were there from the begining. Makes us accept them more now. Maybe?
-Introduce Gary Troup so we can read more about him when The Valenzetti Equation comes out in mid season 4.
Anything else?
Bongzilla,
Amen. If people really believe Lost is going to end like (narrator): So this is the explanation: the island is a______ the smoke monster is______, the stations are _____, people are here because_____....
They are wrong. Lost makes us think and they give us clues but not enough clues that makes this completely simple. For example, alternative time lines doesn't explain the smoke monster, it doesn't explain why the losties survived, it doesn't explain the coincidences (or fate). It is just maybe another piece of the puzzle.
Amen Joana! The time traveling only explains part of the puzzle (though my wormhole theory explains how they survived: one end of the wormhole was very close to the beach, so they only fell a short distance)
The smoke monster? Who knows at this point. All the coincidences? Up in the air. There's still a lot out there that we don't know. But I think wormholes explains one big mystery.
joana, exactly right. I think the overall narrative WILL have a firm conclusion. But the "homework" us diehard fans have been doing all along will pay off even greater for us, as we'll GET MORE from the ending other than just the outcome of the events. We'll understand better, or have stronger clues to untangle the mysteries.
I can hardly wait for the inevitable backlash to the big reveal of what Smokey is. No matter what, it'll piss off some meatheads. "Whattya mean it's a particle cloud containing the memories of dead people? That's reetardud."
This is the fun part about Lost, isn't it?
Of course people won't like some of the explanations - I, for once, want to be wowed.
i thought the season 4 premier was going to be a multi flash forward, not a multi flashback??can anybody clarify anything?please...
well it sounds like there were 2 oceanic flights. One crashed in the water and everyone perishes like Naomi said and the other plane crashes on the Island with survivors. Remember the orientation film with the rabbit that had a duplicate. Maybe the Island is located in the Bermuda triangle. Some stories explains phenomenon in the triangle are considered physdo? science.
Have any of you considered that you might be looking at time in the wrong way? You assume that time on the island is linear but that doesn't have to be the case. Some cultures nave a circular view of time. Reincarnation happens because you exist and have always existed and will always exist. I think the island may be an area where "circular time" is the phsyical law. This idea that LOST is a Sci-fi show would not be correct - it is more philosophy-fiction. Think about it. 'The Other' is a sociological term for the unknown group. Humans fear 'the other,' usually believe them to be inferior, dumber, more violent than themselves. There are at least three characters with philosopher names - Locke, Rosseau, and Hume (Desmond's last name.) All three of these characters represent different groups in some ways. There is modern and not so modern Judeo-christianity represented by Jacob. On and on...stuck on an island with artifacts from throughtout time (the statues, the pirate ship, the temple, the original Dharma, French sailers, new Dharma (Desmond & whatshisname), new survivors.) Time is not operating in a scientific western linear way but in a socio-philosophical way.
I think we also tend to view specific characters as lynch pins of reality. Is this all Walt's/Hurley's/Jack's/Vincent's dream? This doesn't work either.
I think the new opening sounds plausible. (BTW I also think it is Sawyer in the coffin - but not the islanders Sawyer and that is why Kate could care less) Is there a plane full of the Losties at the bottom of the ocean. Yes. Did the russian guy die when Locke threw him into the barrier - yes. Did the come back to life - yep. People don;t 'die' on an island that will exist eternally.
James Boyd
This is all blowin my mind
So is this a fake/hoax? Won't the first scene of season 4 be a Hurley flashforward with the car chasing?
Thanks Claudio, I've updated it and marked it as a hoax.
You're welcome! :) However it's a shame that this is a hoax, it will be a great mind-blowing season opening!