Thanks to Melissa who found these posted over at IMDB. Not sure how credible it is and some things can be deduced from the Promotional Photos but nothing in these can be disproved yet, as far as I know.
- All(or most of) the Losties that went with Locke who have no speaking roles are killed by the freighties.
- Sawyer kills a couple of freighties, saves Claire and Aaron, and escapes with them and Miles thinking he might be able to use Miles as a hostage.
- Miles makes it clear that the freighties dont care about him.
- Ben controls the smoke monster and uses it to kill all the freighties who attack the camp (except Keamy) to Locke's and Hurley's amazement.
- Keamy makes the smoke monster run away with a device that apparently produces some kind of electromagnetic reaction.
- Ben runs away with Hurley and Locke and Alex is shot dead by Keamy.
- Jack realizes Charlotte has been spaeking to the freighter this whole time through another phone and has tells them where Ben is hiding.
Source: Melissa via IMDB
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i dunno if all things are true but about sawyer saves aaron and claire it's more logical when you saw the promo
but i found interesting ben could control smokey god i was sure someone could do that !! i felt sad for alex if it's true but could explain why ben wants revenge off the island too...
This is right on, I just have a feeling. Alex will be the major character shot execution-style.
i dunno whether to believe this or not. it sounds true - but u could just guess all of this from the promos and the promotional pictures. i hope its true tho cos 409 sounds like an amazing episode and i cnt wait. altho i dont want alex to be killed - she just found her mother and she has been 'killed' and then they 'kill' alex off? it just sort of seems like they cnt be bothered to finish off that story and killing them is easier?
just my thoughts
sounds true. i believe it.
locke and hurey aint gona be the only ones surprised and amazed y the fact that if ben can control smokey, hell he can manipulate everybody else.
actually i believe this. what i always liked about lost was that it is at least somewhat realistic and "hard" about life and death. i mean even without the "bad guys" it was tough to survive on the island. lost enters the last third of its episodes and i guess it will focus on the major ones so that the "unimportant ones" (sorry for that) will be killed off. this helps the producers to gain space and makes us hate the evil guys even more.
alex for an instance does not have anything to contribute, so i believe she will die.
This is one rumor I believe! WOW!! Poor Alex!! Go Ben!!!
If they kill Danielle and Alex, i think i'm done! I mean, wtf? I loved Rousseaus storyline, her character is a badass, yeah, we can see her again, but it's definetly not the same. And also killing Alex? Just now that she met her mother? There's more: the triangle is still on. God dammit, i'm always optimistic, but if it's gonna be like tha, idk...
Yeah, this is true.
Sounds legit, although Ben controlling the smoke monster?? Hmm.
i have been saying for weeks the smoke monster is controlled by Ben. I hope this ep will confirm it. The only thing that gets me is I think Damon and Carlton said the person to get shot execution style is a "major character" (whatever that means) and "is not who you think" which makes me believe it isn't Alex. Personally I think Ben will keep Keamy alive and not let the smoke monster kill him and then he will execute Keamy. But who knows!
I don't want Alex to die. Don't they need any supporting characters anymore? That's just lame.
And btw, she's too hot to die. ^^
Oh, I just read the posts above. I can't imagine that Ben actually controls the monster, but maybe he calls it?
I agree with Miguel.
Dark said that the death is a major one and it´s kind of execution style.
The original quote:
"Later in the episode some one is shot in the head execution style, but it’s not who you think if you’ve seen any promos. This character is a major one."
Knowing that and reading this don´t match. So i hope it´s a foiler, though some parts of it really sounds cool! I mean Ben controls smokey!!?! WTF! But kinda little weird. Wasn´t the conversation between Locke and Ben like this:
LOCKE: What´s the smoke monster?
Ben: I don´t know!
Sure ... Ben don´t know what smokey is but controls it? How will he explain his "little" lie?
BEN: Oh, you mean THIS smoke monster, John ... sorry but i thought you mean the other one. That´s nothing, just my "little" pet cloud. Isn´t it cute?
lol :P
I'll believe this when I see Ben controlling smokey.
I don't believe Ben is controlling Smokey- when Locke asked him what it is, and Ben said that he didn't know, I think if he did know, that he'd have been glib about it and taunted Locke even more. But to say IDK and nothing more seemed honest (For once!) to me...
This also dosen't jive with yesterday's spoiler which stated that yes, a character gets shot execution style but it's not who we think it is based on the promo. Alex is the only one in said promo with a gun to her head.
Personally, I don't think much of doing away with a character like Alex in that fashion. I sincerely hope this is b.s.
I sent this to Dark last week. Makes me think Alex is done for.
>I've just read in my local >newspaper that Tania Raymonde >(Alex) will be in
> Winnipeg next month to shoot the >movie 'Wild Cherry'.
>
> There's no mention of a specific >start date.
> Link:
> >http://www.whatsonwinnipeg.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=43001
>
> BTW: 'Movie' is a polite term, >this stinker looks like it's going >straight
> to video.
>
> -John
>
>
i remember either reading or hearing damon and carlton say that ben was lying when he didn't know what the smoke monster was. and i think if it is just a security system then that system can be controlled.
How I hope that the Alex stuff isn't true. We are already low on female characters now that they probably killed off Rousseau in MKJ so it would be nice if she were still alive on the island next season.
^
Totally agree. Tania Raymonde could be a huge asset to this show. She's on the up, no doubt. Which admittedly, is an equally strong argument for her leaving albeit from her own point of view. Not to mention the fact she's pure eye candy :)
I don't buy this at all.
Aaron is with Hurley isn't he? So how would Sawyer be saving him and Claire?
It seems unlikely that Ben controls Smokey. If he does then that's pretty much the whole mystery of the monster finished. How would he control him anyway? Just give a whistle and shout "Sick him, boy!"? Or does he use a Dharma joystick/modified ps2 controller in his secret wardrobe?
If anyone controls Smokey it's the island.
Don't buy it - I tihnk this ones a foiler.
ALEX, RUN DAMMIT!
I'm going to say this is true. It fits with most (if not all) of the other information given about this episode, and it's just crazy enough to work.
Unfortunately, the fact that there's no info in this about Rousseau leads me to believe she's really dead.
I think that it's true...based on nothing...
welp, i like it..so i vote true! :D
Sounds like could be true but hoping its a foiler as it seems far to easy just to say Ben Knows absolutely everything.
And to Miguel if my memory serves me correct Team Darlton didnt say he was lying about not knowing what it is. They said he was lying about not knowing anything about it and he probable knew more about it that he was letting on.
So he could still not know what it is but he knows more about it than he told locke which was he knew nothing about it
I hope Ben isn't controlling Cerberus. I rather like to think of it as a free agent just doing as it pleases.
The monster being controlled by any person seems a bit lame to me. Suddenly it doesn't seem as terrifying or dangerous. It also makes past scenes where the monster appeared less enjoyable.
Thanks for that steveuk. I really didn't remember exactly what they said. And I still hold to what I said earlier that I presume Keamy will die. To be honest though, I don't want Keamy to die after he looked like the toughest character the people on the island have ever met on that amazing commercial! So I think he will die but I seriously hope not cause he looks like an excellent "bad guy" (although I'm done trying to figure out if there is bad guys or good guys anymore).
I hope Alex doesn't die, if she Rosseau and Karl all are dead it wraps up all of them in too much an easy way. I hope the writers are better than that
ben controls smokey? this makes me think that the writers are just making things up as they go, as "ben" was only supposed to be in 3 episodes...
I think Rousseau will save Alex, and then she'll be captured and killed execution style. She's more of a major character than Alex.
If this were completely true then I think that it would have mentioned Rousseau.
Most likely this is just educated guesses.
However I have thought for a few days now that Ben knows what the smoke monster is, and can control it to some extent. (But I don't think he has absolute control over it.)
I call shenanigans. There's zero logic to Ben having the remote control to Cerebus. Also there is no mention of Jack investigating the identity of the body that washes up on shore.
I've always hated charlotte, hated her with a passion, if i didn't know any better she's the one who does something to jack to make him sick. wish someone would just kill her - suddenly like how locke killed naomi. don't know how she & faraday end up with miles and some of the barracks people. not sure about the validity of ben controlling the monster, if so, why would they have the pylon fence (i thought it was mainly b/c of smokie, but maybe built by dharma) and why was it so ready to tear juliet to shreds at a time when juliet was still on ben's side. can ben see what it sees? is it that they both kind of have control over eachother like the relationship ben has with jacob? & i'm starting to think the spectacular death will be alex. all i know is that i really want charlotte to get shot, shes talked so much crap, been so deceptive in what shes doing, and is just a nasty person, i hope she gets whats coming to her sooner than later, no later than the finale of this season, i don't want her to become a main cast member.
@Redickulous
Michael Emerson as Henry Gale was cast for only three episodes, but at that time they hadn't planned on having him be the leader of the others. But they decided during season two that he would fit the part so they made him the leader. So yes they are changing things as they go, but no they aren't making things up. So the short answer is yes they cast Michael Emerson for three episodes and they later decided to make him the leader.
i hope she gets whats coming to her sooner than later, no later than the finale of this season, i don't want her to become a main cast member.
I think you should better prepare for it. I think there's a good chance that Charlotte might be the only female on the island next season.
I hope this isn´t true.
If it´s revealed now that Ben can control Smokey, it will loose all of it´s mystery. That doesn´t mean that Smokey isn´t going to help, just not because Ben told him.
If Alex is killed it will be difficult to come back to rousseaus backstory and I want to see that.
Charlotte being a traitor? Possible.
@ Precious
"I think there's a good chance that Charlotte might be the only female on the island next season.
"
So you imply that Claire, Juliet and Rose (and all female redshirts) will die? No way.
It's a little bit illogical: If Ben can control the monster, why the others use the sonar fence to defend themselves from the smokey?
Obviously there's no proof one way or the other, but I'm gonna work on the assumption that these are false and simply guesses based on already known information and promotional photos.
I much rather see a character like Walt, Vincent or Jacob controlling Smokey!! Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love Michael Emerson & Ben, but if Ben is controlling Smokey, he's more than just 2 steps ahead of everyone. Sorry if that doesn't make any sense.
I liked what they did with Alex's storyline over the years. Killing her off now along with Danielle wud be a huge blow, not just to the ratings but to their fans. Plus we avent seen any flashbacks of them yet. Which is a shame.
I can see Charlotte doin something to Jack to make him ill like that. She may even be a traitor & contacting Captain Gault on the frieghter to the where-abouts of Ben.
Most of this does sound true, I must admit. But when I read the bit about Keamy, producing some kind of electromagnetic reaction that makes Smokey run away. I just cudn't get my head around it. & besides I don't see Keamy being that smart, especially someone who hasn't set foot on the island or has seen Smokey before.
It wud av been a lot better if Daniel did that to Smokey with his science stuff & knowledge of the island.
I don't think that Claire will die but there's a good chance that she's MIA next season and turns into the island Walt. All the rumors about Emilie being in contract talks give me the feeling that she's gonna take a break from the show to do other things.
The fact that the producers have systematically taken away nearly all of Juliet's story lines to include her in that crappy quadrangle story line is worrying for her long time survival on the show. Ben, Jack and Sun will be off island next season. Who is she going to interact with next year? Either TPTB will get their heads out of their asses and give her a coherent story line like they did in season 3 or they will go the easy route and kill her off. Considering that she's female and the producers obviously don't give 2 shits about their female characters, the second option is more likely.
And who cares about female redshirts? They don't do anything on the show anyway. Maybe Rose and Alex will still be there but how often do they show up? Once in a blue moon.
Wow, I'm just realizing how few female speaking roles we actually have in the island story line. Kate, Sun, Juliet, Claire, Charlotte, Alex and Rose and 2 of them will definitely be off island as single mothers next season.
i dont believe Ben controls the Smoke Monster.. i mean, why would he have made it almost attack Juliet and Kate in the jungle? he loves Juliet, he wouldnt hurt her... and Ben set up that whole idea about Kate and Juliet together.. why bring the smoke monster along?
and yea, Dark posted that it wasnt who we thought it was from the promos....
i just think there would be A LOT of holes in the LOST storyline that would need to be filled in if Ben was controlling the smoke monster.
I really think Smokey kills Alex, proving Ben doesn't control him. If you think about it there's proof the island doesn't like Ben and wants Ben gone. I think that's why Jacob communicated with Locke.
Look at the evidence:
The island heals everyone, but lets Ben get cancer. If not for Jack, Ben would have died and the island would be free of him.
He has a sonar fence to keep the monster at bay.
Now Jacob is communicating with Locke and asking for help. I think the help is to get Locke to kill Ben for him.
The reason Smokey may kill Alex is because Ben did somehow set-up the deaths of Rousseau and Karl to have Alex all to himself and Smokey is going to pay Ben back.
I've assumed especially since Meet Kevin Johnson, that Rousseau's story will probably be told through a Ben flashback showing him taking Alex.
and also I think when they talk about it not being the death they expected I think they mean the fact that for a while it was hyped up that Claire might die in this episode.
Also I believe that Ben uses the monster to kill the freighties but I dont think he has absolute control over it, hence it attacking Juliet and Kate plus it would be kinda weak for that monster to be fully controlled by anything.
brett, the problem with that is that all signs seem to point towards Ben being in that coffin in the S3 finale, and if that's the case then he isn't going to have that flashback either.
I think the person to die will be Michael (boring but good cause I hate him). I think this because the newspaper article Jack read in the plane said something about the dead person leaving behind a teenage son. Also, I am not too sure that the smoke monster is on the same side as Jacob. I have read some things that suggest they aren't the same thing and maybe they are in opposition to one another. Jacob said "help me" and that sounds like someone who isn't in control of everything. I think Ben uses Jacob in some way. I think they have made Ben "the man behind the curtain" and all I am saying is I wouldn't put it past Ben to have some sort of control over the security system of the island aka smoky. I do think it is possible but not probable that they kill off someone we aren't remotely thinking about. I think Keamy even though I don't want him dead. With regards to Ben, he definatly knows the most about the island and I wouldn't put it past the writers to say he has some sort of control. And I know it is a stretch but the monster chasing juliet and kate could have been used as a way to bond them by Ben (don't hate me I'm just thinking!), and the pylons aren't at lethal levels (according to Mikal) so what does that mean? I don't know. I just have a feeling Ben is always in control of more than anyone thinks. Just my thoughts though. There is no way I can be sure with this show! I love Lost!
i can't wait for this
hmmm... this is a hard one. All these details fit perfectly with all the other spoilers and promotional stuff we've seen. However, maybe it fits too perfectly? I'm suprised Dark doensnt know if this is true or not already. Usually it seems like he has access to information that he isn't aloud to leak until he is given the ok by his source. Oh well either way this episode will rock.
If alex dies it will be hell to pay
I've actually studied the promos and pics way too much to put the pieces together and I think these "spoilers" are a hoax.
The first one is probably true, but I think the second one is a hoax, as 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th.:
First off, Sawyer can't rescue Aaron, because Aaron is with Hurley. Hurley is holding the baby, who is crying hysterically, as he asks, "Is that Claire's house?"
God knows I have my issues, with Locke, but I just don't see him running off and leaving James behind. The only one besides the island that Locke seems to care for is James. Also, there was a promo pic of Ben covered in soot, that he could have only gotten from being near the explosion. Sawyer is also covered in soot, because he's running towards a house wheh it explodes.
My personal spec is Sawyer gets knocked out by the explosion, and for some reason [yet to be revealed] Ben runs out and saves him, dragging him into the house with the rest of them. There's a scene in one of the promos where Sawyer's sitting down with soot all over his face asking, "Why slaughter people without telling them why?"
So I think Ben leads Sawyer, Locke, Hurley, and Aaron through the secret passage. There's a scene in what looks like the tunnel [Locke is holding a torch and pointing his gun, like he heard something in the tunnel] and I think they run into Claire and Miles with an Other who rescued her and Miles through a similar tunnel in their houses. I think that's why Sawyer spins around pointing his gun at Locke/Ben because he thinks Ben set the whole thing up. That it's another con like the pacemaker con.
In a promo pic for Episode 10 Locke is pointing a gun at Sawyer's back as he's walking away. That may be why Sawyer, Claire, Aaron and Miles decide to head to the beach. They think this whole thing was another of Ben's lies.
Someone claimed to see a Sawyer/Claire scene being filmed for episode 11 up in the mountains where they may be using for the area to shoot the Temple scenes, so from that it seems like they end up back with Locke/Ben at some point.
In regards to Ben controlling Smokey, I really think it would take something away from it if that proved to be the case.
So some of these don't jive with the promos.
@sockerock - some of your ideas are good, but I don't buy your interpretation of events from the promo pictures. For one, I don't see Ben risking his neck to save Sawyer. That just makes no sense to me. I'm as big a Sawyer fan as there is, but I don't think he is the island’s "Chosen One" (as you have stated in other posts) that Ben feels obligated to save. If anything, Ben thinks of himself as the Chosen One and feels the biggest threat to his status/claim is Locke. I don't doubt that Sawyer may have a bigger role to play as the story evolves (there are hints here and there), but at this point, Ben is looking out for himself, the island and probably Alex. Sawyer is someone he will use if he can to reach his end goal (like Sayid in the future.)
actually I think some stuff he's saying is true some aint....
Alex can't die cuz the death (the major one) isn't really indicated by the preview (ala keamy pointing a gun to alex) also sawyer saving claire and aaron? NOPE....unless he saves claire from death and takes aaron outta hurley's arms....doesn't seem logical.
Keamy....I hope he dies.
If Keamy stops the smoke monster then we might as well call him Jacob
I don't think Ben controls the Monster per se. I'm betting it's automated but he knows how to navigate around it and what it can and can't do. He may let people think he can control it, but I think it's something beyond his ability.
It would kinda suck if it was just another part of Ben's superspy arsenal.
I think Rousseau will save Alex and then be shot execution style. Nothing short of a bullet to the head kills a character like Rousseau. The island "heals" who it wants to, and I bet it would've healed Rousseau's stomach wound if it though Rousseau still had a role to play (like saving her daughter).
Seems most of these were true, except the last part.
yup, Hoax, for the most part.
Mark this as a hoax.
Looks like it's not a hoax after all...or most of it anyway.
Yeah, it should be changed to Partially True...Sawyer didn't save Aaron, Charlotte was not speaking with the ship (so far as we know) and no device was used on Smokie...but I'll bet next week's episode will see Charlotte and Keamy doing the things it says here.
Maybe some of this spills over to 4.10 and then it could be mostly true
its 98% true! Hoax is a harsh term :)
Not bad for a HOAX...
I understand that some things were not 100 percent accurate, but you have to agree that they got a lot more correct than incorrect, and for somebody that's just making stuff up based on a guess, that's insane. I think this person just had some embellished info, but the source was pretty credible.
The most accurate hoax of all time
I don't think it's a hoax. I think it's a word of mouth, that includes DELETED scenes, or scenes that will appear on NEWER episodes. It seems to me that whoever sent this to DarkUFO, his source is someone ON THE SET.
@carlton
I think Sawyer did save Aaron. That scene must have been cutted out, but at first place he runs off to get Aaron and Claire. Later we see Hurley with Aaron while Sawyer is back at the ruins of Claires house to look for her.
This seems to be no hoax. Just some scenes didn´t make it to the final version that aired, and some might be for a following episode.
I agree that it's not a hoax, but maybe someone who wanted to stick a couple of foilers in with the hoax. Plus, we don;t know for certain how Keamy survived Smokie. We might find out Thursday that he really did use some kind of electromagnetic device to protect himself. Stranger things have happened. Oh, and Sawyer just might try to use Miles as a hostage and then finds out the freighties don't care about MIles at all.
Half of this was true
This should be changed from hoax to partially true. Seriously.
Yeah, this isnt a hoax... not really.
Probably this describes how things were planned pre-strike
Why hoax? Half of it is true or at least partially true...
Everything is on except for Keamy sending the monster away with em device.
Actually, according to last night's episode, the EM device appears to be attached to his arm. So, I dunno where this person found this info, but they definitely saw a script of the finale.
A LOT OF THESE ARE TURNING UP AS WAY MORE THAN PARTIALLY TRUE!! CERTAINLY NOT A HOAX OR FOILER...
#1 - It certainly seems that all non-speaking losties in Locke's camp are shot
#2 - Sawyer shoots at a couple of freighties. who knows if he shot any? And Sawyer does end up with Claire, Aaron & Miles
#3 - while miles doesn't make it clear the freighties don't care about him, he does say that they aren't his buddies & he didn't sign up for this. Plus lapidus says that if Keame sees Miles, he'll kill him...
#4 - Ben DOES control smokey in some way, though it doesn't kill all the freighties (but like most ppl watching that episode, i honestly thought it did)
#5 - The next episode is probably going to show that the device on Keame's arm makes the smoke monster run away...
#6 - Ben, Locke & hurley DO end up alone together & Alex is shot dead by Keame
#7 - This may still happen...
This may have looked like a Hoax a few weeks ago, but surely things have changed? The person who provided this spoiler knew way too much for this to be a hoax...
I agree, this guy had the generals but not really the specifics...I can't wait to see what the device on Keamey's arm is but I don't think that it is specifically to defeat Smokey because he warned the Captain off on the freighter
No 7 is also similar to the phopone dropping from the helicopter/overheard conversation.