Update: 16th Feb It's now looking likely that this will not be episode 4.09 but will be push back a few episodes but still be part of this Season. It looks like the strike and the reduction of episodes has caused a bit of a re-think.
Just had some interesting info sent through to me. I'm trying to contact my confirmed sources to see what they have to say. I'm placing in rumours until I can clarify. Below is a summary from a much larger exchange.
1) Episode 4.9, pre-strike was going to be a Ben-Centric episode
2) The title penciled in was "The Outlier"
3) A Numbers Theory professor was brought in as a consultant by the TPTB to write a proof called "The Jacobian Code"
4) This code involved maritime calculations which were given to him, and the typical Lost numbers of 4,8,15,16,23,42. His job was to make a real proof with the maritime calculations and the Lost numbers and formulate it into an equation which as mentioned above is called the "Jacobian Code"
5) The code was to be featured in the show in episode 9 and he was told that when the code was featured in the background it would become one of televisions most tivo'd moments of all time
6) The proof is described as complex but solvable to the mildly educated math student.
Source: Jaxon
HOAX : Episode 4.09 - The Outlier - Ben Centric
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37 Comments:
Sounds complicated. Nice to see a new rumor in this section. Seems that TPTB have a tighter lid on things these days.
Seems that TPTB have a tighter lid on things these days.
LOL :) Things are leakier than ever this season. There are not many rumours/spoilers as they have been on strike for nearly 2 months so now writing or filming has been going.
Hmmm...can someone say "Valenzetti"?
Not buying it for the moment, but it seems pretty cool and I'd like to see it.
haha if this is true, which i doubt, couldnt they have come up with a better name for the "Jacobian" code?
From my understanding, this was the name given to it internally. It's unclear if this will be the name given on the show.
ah thanks,i guess it could all be up in the air if it hasnt been filmed.
Hope the Ben-Centric part is true at least ;)
This is a dilemna. I LOVE Lost but HATE math, so this episode will bring out the internal conflict in me! :)
No but seriously if this is true I am excited for another Ben episode.
Yikes!! I agree, it sounds complicated. But if this turns out to be true, then cool.
To me, the numbers 4, 8, 15, 16, 23,42 is tied into Jacob which ties into a million other things like the numbers in the swan hatch, the numbers Danielle heard whilst her boat/ship was out at sea etc
Thanks Dark
Kind of funny considering there's already a mathematical concept known as "the Jacobian Matrix."
yeah but wasn't 4 8 15 16 23 42 the valezetti equation from the Hanso Lost experience?
Then again perhaps we'll finally get what the numbers mean in ep 9....would be nice to have another Bencentric episode.....
Ben is a Liar so yes I believe the Episode could be called "The OutLIER" Makes perfect sense :)
Sweet, at least a major myth will be explained if this is true.
Jacobian is an actual math term, not something made up to resemble "Jacob." Perhaps this is the whole reason for Jacob's name? I'm not math-geeky enough to understand any of this... but here is the wiki link if you want to try and decypher it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobian
The Jacob Matrix reminds me of the maths from the blast door map that Radzinsky made!!
It may explain why these numbers are so important!!
Oh wow, so this is actually gonna happen sometime this season...interesting.
Can someone clarify for me what TPTB is?
the powers that be
the writers/bosses of the show
hmmm I did get the blast door map from the official lost magazine and let me say that some of the stuff written on it actually makes sense.....it hinted at a zoological station (hydra).....talked about the pregnancie issue (season 3)
Outlier.....hmmmm I think Ben needs a character improvement episode....seriously the guy is hated by Locke and he needs to prove his "usefullness" soon or DIE!
Kevin618 said... hmmm I did get the blast door map from the official lost magazine and let me say that some of the stuff written on it actually makes sense.....it hinted at a zoological station (hydra).....talked about the pregnancie issue (season 3) Outlier.....hmmmm I think Ben needs a character improvement episode....seriously the guy is hated by Locke and he needs to prove his "usefullness" soon or DIE
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Did you watch the end of the economist?
If not, I'd stop talking and watch it.
We know need to know so much about Ben it's bleeding out our ears.
Ben FF-FTW!
jake I've seen it....
I just hope Ben redeems himself....cuz all he does is keep stuff to himself.....(we know he's safe for now) but I like him to at least reveal some answers that have been plaguing us since season 2.
Namely:
Did he kill Henry Gale?
Did he really tell the truth that he didn't hit the button?
What does he mean when he said "We're the good guys Michael!"?
and lastly,
Why did he get caught by Rousseau and what was he doing?
It seems obvious he DID press the button.
I think when he said we're the good guys is going to get answered as the "bad guys" are here already.
Well thats the thing I don't like about ben that he needs to improve on.....he needs to stop lying....to Locke esspecially....Ben needs to accept that Jacob might favor Locke to succeed him as leader of the others.....Ben feels threatened....and well yah he tried to kill Locke.....and now is weasiling his way to survive....I say its time for some redemption in other words more information.....and luckily thanks to the press release of 4.06 we may get our wishes....but I'm not gonna post it here....better to be safe than get banned for ruining something.
This math stuff sounds boring...I don't see how this would be a big easter egg on par with the Blast Door Map considering the average LOST viewer won't give a shit about a math proof.
BIG HOAX AS ALWAYS!
D-CPH: probably but it would be nice to have ben in another episode about him....(I like non 815er back stories)
Man behind the curtain was by far my favorite non 815er flashback followed by Des and Juliets.
yay! An episode with Dr. Marvin Candle doing a math proof involving the numbers, I'd love it. Unfortunately this is probably a hoax...
Namely: Did he kill Henry Gale?
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I don't think that really matters does it? Whether he did or whether he didn't, that really has no baring on anything.
Did he really tell the truth that he didn't hit the button?
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He was obviously lying. Locke didn't press the button and the hatch went straight to hell :)
What does he mean when he said "We're the good guys Michael!"?
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This I think is one of the overarching questions of the entire show. MY GUESS is that the people on Ben's list has something to do with it.
and lastly, Why did he get caught by Rousseau and what was he doing?
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Being foolish? Or possibly on purpose too. He probably wanted to see what the people were like and figure out ways to manipulate them. We'll never get a straight answer, and I don't think we need one really.
I didn't see anyone mention this so I thought I'd post it:
"In statistics such as stratified samples, an outlier is an observation that is numerically distant from the rest of the data. Statistics derived from data sets that include outliers will often be misleading. For example, if one is calculating the average temperature of 10 objects in a room, and most are between 20 and 25 degrees Celsius, but an oven is at 350 °C, the median of the data may be 23 but the mean temperature will be 55. In this case, the median better reflects the temperature of a randomly sampled object than the mean. Outliers may be indicative of data points that belong to a different population than the rest of the sample set.
In most samplings of data, some data points will be further away from their expected values than what is deemed reasonable. This can be due to systematic error, faults in the theory that generated the expected values, or it can simply be the case that some observations happen to be a long way from the center of the data. Outlier points can therefore indicate faulty data, erroneous procedures, or areas where a certain theory might not be valid. However, a small number of outliers is expected in normal distributions."
That describes the island perfectly.
All I want is for ben to do more than be tied up, beat the crap out of, and lie thru his teeth....seriously....he's scared and he needs to stop being coy.
Good call Mike... I don't know why they would include so many stats type things in a show that would need more calculus type equations to be proven.
Who knows, everything may tie into the bell curve and probability sometime soon.
If they use the Jacobian MAtrix, that is also a stats related item (matrices, plural of matrix to those who don't know)A matrix includes all available multiples of a group of numbers, or patterns in a group of numbers.
This could get interesting, but I'll bet this is a hoax. Who knows.
I would like to know how Henry Gale got onto the island.
Kevin618 said... All I want is for ben to do more than be tied up, beat the crap out of, and lie thru his teeth....seriously....he's scared and he needs to stop being coy.
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I agree. Ben's at his peak awesome when he's actually up and about. Unfortunately, he's either in jail (twice) or had surgery.
When he's up walking around and being authoritative, that's when he's amazing. But the fact he can pull it off sitting in a cell just shows how awesome Emerson is. He's just beyond awesome when he's up and about.
Can't wait to see more of FF-Ben so I can see him up and about.
So an outlier is like the score from an East German judge?
An outlier is like a situation in which the median score is 9.5 but the East German judge gives a score of 3.